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If Cleveland gives all that up for Kevin Love, they're not going to win championships, but there will be plenty of room for Ray Allen and Udonis Haslem.
Minnesota should hold out as long as possible, try to take Cleveland to the cleaners like Denver did to N.Y.. Why not hold out for a better deal?
They could ,maybe, package Love and Martin (no need to keep him, if he was brought just to help them make the playoffs) in an attempt to nab Wiggins, Waiters and Bennett. Take a step back this season and attempt to take two steps forward starting in '15-16 with a roster including: Rubio, Pekovic, Dieng, LaVine ,2015 lottery pick, Wiggins, Waiters, Bennett and Muhammad.
or Wiggins, Waiters, Haywood (trade filler) and 2 first round picks in '15 & '17 is very still a good haul for Love
If Cleveland gives all that up for Kevin Love, they're not going to win championships, but there will be plenty of room for Ray Allen and Udonis Haslem.
Cleveland said they won't trade Wiggins period.
How can a legit superstar never lead a team to the playoffs even once? Love is a one way player who is about to break the bank. Wiggins can be a legit two way star.
The consensus when the Spurs drafted Duncan was that he and David couldn't play together, and that one of them should be traded. Thank God the Spurs didn't listen. LeBron can mentor Wiggins, and the kid won't have to carry a team immediately. At some point in the near future, LeBron will become the full time PF, sort of a supercharged Diaw, and Wiggins will be the high flying wing player.
Heres the other thing, no team is going to trade for Kevin Love if he wont commit. If Kevin Love comes out tommorow and says I will only sign with the Cavaliers, then the Twolves might only have one trade partner. Therefore the Cavaliers have control of the trade, the Twolves know they are losing him so the Cavaliers can give them waiters+draft picks and they might have to just take it because if they dont, they might not get anything at all.
So I believe we will see Lebron, Irving, Love, AND Wiggins in the same uniform on the same court in the near future.
They should be trying to move the cancerous Irving before anything, tbh, but they won't, obviously..
I agree. Wiggins has all the makings of a stud defender. He can make an impact without requiring 20 shots a game, and he won't command Kevin Love money for a few years.
i like what i'm seeing here. let love go to cali. wiggins, bennett, thompson, and waiters is a -ton of potential around an irving/bron pick and roll. i spend a lot of time making drunk rants. but this is some drunk love!!!!
Not going to to win a le ,either way, for at least the next two seasons.
Wiggins is the future of the franchise and could set them up to be contenders for years to come. They can afford to wait a couple of years to see how he develops.
the problem is that Love isn't Bosh, who is a very good team defender. Irving is a awful defender at the worst position possible.
Love, Irving and James could be an elite offensive trio but the Cavs team defense can only be but so good with Irving and Love playing big minutes.
Varejao, Lebron and Wiggins are all very good defenders so that certainly helps.
I would pass on Love and try to dangle Bennett and Waiters to try and nab another "star"
the question is will the cave pony up and pay the max to love,james, irving and wiggins
The East is a total mess...The best in the east would make a 9 seed behind the Lakers.....
Last edited by Biernutz; 07-15-2014 at 12:11 AM.
If OKC wins the West next year, the East may win the le. Lebron can beat the Thunder by himself practically. I think Cleveland is a couple of years from their peak, but they can certainly win next season.
A Love trade would really hinder them, though. James' play style hinders stars, so Love would be pretty mitigated. It's already going to be a struggle with Irving. They need legit role-players, and Wiggins should be a great one.
Completely agree, put Wiggins on Chuckbrook and he should do an ok job. Lebron can destroy Durant 1 on 1... Really winnable... The main problem is Verajao being so fragile...
Right, and neither is Waiters. By being high picks they also don't carry the most friendly cap figures in the next few years (see Evan Turner's $8+mm qualifying offer as the #2 pick this year). At this point, both are guys you could replace for MLE type deals. For me, deal has to include Wiggins or I'm shopping elsewhere.
The Lakers won't even be a 10th seed this year. If Kobe isn't healthy they are going to be a bottom 6 team in the league.
Bennett has lost a ton of weight and will likely be much better this coming year. That being said, I wouldn't trade Wiggins for Love. Love has hit his ceiling, Wiggins could be a future top 10 NBA talent, something I wouldn't say Kevin Love is.
I know the Cavs have to go all-in in the next 2 years to win a le, and likely Love would be better for this than Wiggins in the immediate future, but I don't think it's the wisest move. Kyrie Irving would be a better piece to trade than Wiggins and something that, if packaged right, would be a better offering than ditching Wiggins.
Last edited by dg7md; 07-15-2014 at 07:24 AM.
Why? LeBron signed for two years for one reason and one reason only: the new NBA TV deal gets signed in 2016, and there's going to be a tsunami of cap money available. His new contract will jump sharply.
He's not going to leave Cleveland again. He got what he was seeking. He's home for good.
at calling Kevin Love a "superstar".... superstars make the playoffs....
What exactly does this new TV deal mean? The salary cap goes up? Does the CBA get renegotiated?
The cap is adjusted each year based on a formula in the CBA. Basketball related income (BRI) goes up and the cap goes up. A new TV deal will mean a e in BRI.
The next CBA won't come any earlier than 2017.
I agree.
Hopefully they don't give up Wiggins
You're probably right that they won't win a le, but Wiggins looks like exactly what you said, and might be developing pretty rapidly. He's smart, he's a good defender, he's massively athletic, and he looks to be a good team player. I simply don't know enough about Irving to know how he's going to mesh, but I think Lebron and Wiggins could become Jordan and Pippen Lite, and that suddenly makes Cleveland more of a le threat than Miami was last year if Irving steps up as well.
Agreed. I think seeing Bosh play this season without Lebron will remind Cavs management of everything Love is not. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bosh putting up scary numbers.
Boston taught Ray Allen to be a really good defender. Maybe it's just a matter of desire. It's certainly going to be the X factor in how quickly Cleveland develops.
Pretty much as long as they have some cap room there will be ring chasers ready to sign on for peanuts. If I had Lebron I'd be looking for role players, not stars.
being outcome dependent is one of the biggest issues a man has to face in life, that can be easily translated to basketball management. If a team needs lebron so badly that they would sacrifice everything for him to stay, than it's only right for lebron to go to a team where he is the one to be carried instead of the other way around.
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