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    Just saw this too. Hopefully this makes the evening news.

    This is bound to be the first of many.

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    sad but not shocking, the elites want an invasion. least Boutons has some fapping material for this evening.

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    The AP did not inform their readers that the man was an illegal alien.

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    sad but not shocking, the elites want an invasion. least Boutons has some fapping material for this evening.
    you Nazis are full of

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    the notion that that immigrants bring crime and disease out of proportion to their numbers is a myth

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    wrt to crime at least, the studies show the reverse: illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. far less likely.

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    "the notion that that immigrants bring crime and disease out of proportion to their numbers is a myth

    the studies show the reverse: illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. far less likely."

    we already know (superfluous alert: ) shameless Repugs and tea baggers will repeat any lies and slanders until their base "believes" it's all right out of the Bible.


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    "the notion that that immigrants bring crime and disease out of proportion to their numbers is a myth

    the studies show the reverse: illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. far less likely."

    we already know (superfluous alert: ) shameless Repugs and tea baggers will repeat any lies and slanders until their base "believes" it's all right out of the Bible.

    IDK...my guess is if this particular Hondruan was not allowed into the U.S., he wouldn't have murdered anyone here

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    it's a dangerous world all around. big daddy government can't protect you from everything.

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    IDK...my guess is if this particular Hondruan was not allowed into the U.S., he wouldn't have murdered anyone here
    Yeah, USA already has, by several times, the highest murder rate of any industrial country. Don't need any more.

    data all over the place:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigra...d_States#Crime

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    Good article highlighting the flaws with the two studies most often cited. Illegal alien crime is a big problem in border cities, and this article was written before the massive surge.





    http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime



    Removal of Criminal Aliens.
    Each year immigration authorities remove from the United States individuals termed “criminal aliens.” These are aliens who were removed on the basis of a criminal charge or who have a criminal conviction. Between 1998 and 2007, about 816,000 aliens were removed because of criminal behavior.57 These figures do not include individuals whose only offense was living or working in the United States illegally. But it does include those aliens involved in criminal immigration offenses, which will be discussed below. The overall number of criminal aliens removed is certainly significant, and makes clear that crime by non-citizens is certainly not trivial. But by themselves, these numbers do not indicate whether immigrants or non-citizens have high or low crime rates.

    Most criminal aliens are identified while serving their time in prison or jail. Those criminal aliens who get removed by the government represent some unknown share of the total number of immigrants who have committed and/or have been imprisoned for crimes. Only those criminal aliens who actually come to the attention of immigration authorities are removed and typically only after they have served their sentences. Moreover, immigration authorities do not have the enforcement resources to remove all those who qualify, even if someone is identified as a criminal alien. Unfortunately, data on what crimes these individuals have committed are somewhat limited. However, detailed information is available for 2007. Figure 3 reports the crimes for which criminal aliens were deported. Of the 99,924 criminal aliens removed in that year, 21.6 percent were removed for immigration crimes such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, re-entry after deportation, or immigration fraud. The largest single group of crimes were drug related, accounting for 33.5 percent of all removals. After drug and immigration crimes, other major categories for which criminal aliens were removed in 2007 were assault, burglary, larceny, sexual assault, robbery, family offenses, sex offenses, and stolen vehicles.58

    As already mentioned, the fact that large numbers of criminal aliens are removed from the United States may also push down the overall incarceration rates of immigrants. Recidivism among criminals is common — Justice Department statistics indicate that about two-thirds of criminals are re-arrested within three years of release.59 The same is true of criminal aliens. A Department of Justice study found that 73 percent of criminal aliens who were released rather than removed were arrested at least once more. The average number of additional arrests for each individual was six.60 Since native-born Americans are never removed by the government, this difference with immigrants who commit crimes could have a significant impact on incarceration rates.
    It is worth noting that criminal aliens who are removed can and do sometimes return to the United States illegally. We were unable to locate any statistical information on how often this occurs. We do know from studies of U.S. District Court statistics61 that more than 1,000 people per month are charged for re-entry after deportation, a federal felony, and that the majority of these individuals have serious criminal histories.

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    Yeah, USA already has, by several times, the highest murder rate of any industrial country. Don't need any more.

    data all over the place:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigra...d_States#Crime
    so since we have so much already...why worry about any more new ones?

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    Good article highlighting the flaws with the two studies most often cited.
    what are the flaws? presumably you've read your own link, so you can share.

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    The article goes in to detail as to why they are flawed but basically it is unreliable data. Give it a read.


    what are the flaws? presumably you've read your own link, so you can share.
    Recent Studies Share a Major Flaw
    Two recent and widely cited studies have tried to shed light on the question of immigrant criminality by analyzing public-use data from the 2000 census on persons in ins utions. One study, by the Public Policy Ins ute of California (PPIC), is “Crime, Corrections, and California: What Does Immigration Have to Do with It”?9 The other study is “The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation: Incarceration Rates among Native and Foreign-Born Men”10 and was sponsored by the Immigration Policy Center (IPC), a think tank created by the American Immigration Lawyers Association. Both studies were conducted by well-known researchers in the field. The general idea behind both studies is reasonable. While the public-use census files used in these studies do not distinguish between correctional ins utions and persons committed to other facilities like nursing homes, by confining their analysis to younger men, the authors of both studies hoped to get a good idea of the immigrant incarceration rate. Both studies conclude that immigrants are much less likely to commit crimes than are natives. However, both studies share a fundamental problem: The data they use are not reliable, making meaningful analysis impossible.

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    The article goes in to detail as to why they are flawed but basically it is unreliable data. Give it a read.
    The problems pointed out seem plausible enough, but I see nothing there that supports the xenophobia and fear-mongering on display here.

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    http://cpwp.swehes.com/illegal-alien...e-all-victims/
    The overall perspective of the criminal behavior of illegal aliens is grim. In a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about eight arrests per illegal alien: 70 percent had between two and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Drug or immigration offenses accounted for 45 percent of all offenses, and approximately 12 percent (over 6,600 illegal aliens) were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.[14]
    An FBI crime study also shows heavy illegal alien involvement in criminal activity revealed these statistics:
    • 75 percent of those on the most wanted criminals list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
    • One quarter of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals, as are more than 40 percent of all inmates in Arizona and 48 percent in New Mexico jails.
    • Over 53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
    • 63 percent of cited drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens. 66 percent of cited drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegal aliens.[15]

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    More from that same government study


    Statistical studies regarding illegal aliens and criminal activity are few and far between. But in a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of a sample population of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that:
    * They were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than one arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

    * They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests.
    * Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud--including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice.

    * Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states--California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.
    Meanwhile, Barbara Coe, an Internet political activist and blogger, on Saturday reported on an FBI crime study that also shows heavy illegal alien involvement in criminal activity:
    * 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

    * 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
    * 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles , Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
    * 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals.

    * 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals.

    * 48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals.

    * 29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and Federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.

    * 53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

    * 50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    * 71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes."

    * 47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

    * 63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens.

    * 66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.


    http://www.examiner.com/article/ille...n-obama-s-side

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    "the notion that that immigrants bring crime and disease out of proportion to their numbers is a myth

    the studies show the reverse: illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. far less likely."

    we already know (superfluous alert: ) shameless Repugs and tea baggers will repeat any lies and slanders until their base "believes" it's all right out of the Bible.

    wrt to crime at least, the studies show the reverse: illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. far less likely.
    oh yeah then why are our prisons literally full to the brim with illegal be@ners?

    that theory probably holds true for european and asian immigrants..but then again they probably wouldn't have committed the crime here nor there. these be@ners are savages.

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    so since we have so much already...why worry about any more new ones?
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    so since we have so much already...why worry about any more new ones?
    why don't we ban all of Christianity because of the Phelps church?

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    why don't we ban all of Christianity because of the Phelps church?
    False equivalence

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