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  1. #101
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    They expect Kobe to be much better than Duncan in the next season despite coming off two major injuries and not having played for a year (I don't count these 6 games tight now). They think he will have stats like 25/5/5 and be a top 5 player in the league without question.
    Those stats are very possible, with 40% shooting though.

  2. #102
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    Before his injury, Kobe still looked like an immortal, still had a case for being the best player in the league. Now obviously, everybody expects him to be a top 10 player at best.
    I think since 2001 Kobe was always better than Dirk and Duncan except MAYBE in 2002 when Duncan was amazing and in 2004, not Dirk or Duncan but KG was likely better that year. All other years though, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.

    He will still be better individually.
    I think many people forgot just how good Kobe is. Even if he is just at 80 %.

    The 2013 team was deemed failure but they onluly gor swept by the Spurs because Kobe got injured. Otherwise, it would have been a series. Who knows how far the Lakers would've advanced.

  3. #103
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    Those stats are very possible, with 40% shooting though.
    Which means ballhogging and playing through garbage time. Last season if my memory serves me right only LeBron, Durant and Harden reached those numbers and all played heavy minutes.

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    FWIW, the NBA Store has a sale on Lakers jerseys...

    http://store.nba.com/Los_Angeles_Lak...an_Home_Jersey


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    any updates since the Bozo acquisition?

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    FWIW, the NBA Store has a sale on Lakers jerseys...

    http://store.nba.com/Los_Angeles_Lak...an_Home_Jersey

    cubby's gna love that one

  9. #109
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    Another week, another gem

    I have been watching basketball since 1980 and I've never seen a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant. By that I mean a player that could play the game in any era, dominate and have team success without the rules being changed in his favor. The only other players I would put into this category are Wilt, Russell, Magic, Kareem and Bird. To me these five players along with Kobe; could play any era, any rules and be absolutely dominant in the game.

    Some people may argue with this list. I have no problem with that. If you are one of these people please consider this before rebutting: Were the rules changed to stop the dominance of your greatest players or changed to enhance the dominance of your favorite players? The players I have listed were all the targets of rule changes in the game to curb how dominant they were and allow a more consistent level of compe ion through the NBA game.

    Almost every rule in the game that has shaped our game was created to stop Wilt and Russell. Goaltending on the rim, then cylinder area, not moving off the free throw line until the ball hits the rim, not jumping from the free throw line to score on a free throw, the three seconds in the key lane rule and on and on. Plus these guys were flat out bad ass athletes for any era.

    Kareem gets overlooked because he is such an original. He played against everyone on this list except for Kobe. He played a power position with finesse, grace, skill, power and intelligence and he did it for 2 decades! He has les, MVPs, records in the NCAA and NBA. And when the NCAA outlaws dunking to stop you, you're one bad (hush your mouth!).

    Magic and Bird changed the landscape of professional basketball. It was a dying game in the eyes of America until they came around. They effected how people viewed the game in their college year(s) and Carrie that throughout their careers. Not only were they cornerstones in resurrecting their franchises but they invigorated the world's desire to watch the game. Also, the palming rule was rehashed for Magic while the 3 point line was moved back for Bird. Bird had info it range so it was a joke of a rule change towards him, but surely had an effect on other players.

    Now Kobe. He is the best all around player I have ever seen. I have watched him play the dominant player and the co-dominant player. He can attack the rim, post up, pass, shoot, dribble with both hands, score on anyone and shut down just about anyone. Then add in his intangibles of playing through pain, longevity, adversity at an extremely high level. The current NBA is basically full of clones of three players in my opinion. That would be Pippen, Garnett and Kobe. Look around and you'll see a lot of guys who look like Pippen and Garnett, but the only true Kobe gamer is Kobe. These young players can't match his physical game, but they try to pattern themselves after him mentally and for me, that is a great thing for the NBA.

    The rule change to stop Kobe was the zone defense. When it occurred most of people thought it was put in to stop Shaq and that is half true because they were a dominant duo and the focus was on Shaq. Reality is no zone could really stop Shaq. It would slow him down because he would see the ball less, but he operated so close to the rim and was so powerful that when motivated he would dominate. In fact, he's not on this list because he simply chose not to dominate for so many years AND the NBA looked the other way on his offensive 3 seconds and fouls (bullying through smaller defenders with great defensive position). The zone was created to stop Kobe. He simply couldn't be defended. Forget the 81 point game. The 62 he put on Dallas in 3 quarters is the scariest thing I have ever seen against a high level team. That Dallas team went to the Finals (and got jobbed by Stern after Cuban ran onto the floor to celebrate their game 1 victory). By this time Popovich had already told the world he respected Shaq, but they game planned to stop Kobe and everyone laughed. The zone allows teams to stack defenders in layers vs Kobe. I mean 3 layers. The original defender, the two waiting for him once he blasted by the original defender and the defender at the rim waiting for him once he beat those 3. Kobe countered by going down low or passing to a big man who could handle the passes and finish (Pau). He destroyed Orlando's zone in the 2010 Finals with Dwight as the anchor of their defense by scoring at least 29 points and having 8 assist each game.

    Ok. That's enough from me.

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    Excellent post.. Kobe can be argued as GOAT. Only thing stoppin that from being a common notion is media and marketing. Jordan entered the league at a perfect time, right when marketing took off. Stern made him his child and turned him into the nba's brand. Kobe came in during an era where stern was trying to market various players as icons as opposed to just one, like he did with Jordan. To make matters worse, the sexual assault trial killed Kobe's marketability, forever hindering his stature in the public eye and stopping him from ever having the chance of the media push Jordan got. Lebron is the only other player to get a push by the NBA and media that could compare to Jordan's.. And even then, Jordan's push was much stronger. Kobe's lack of marketability and nba branding has caused the sheeple to overlook his greatness... Just surprised to see that those sheep make up a good portion of this forum.


    Jesus Christ, how on God's green earth can you be that dumb and delusional? Seriously, no fan base in the entire NBA is so far away from reality than the Kobe homers. This is just embarrassing. Not even the worst LeBron or Jordan homers can have such idiotic thoughts.

  10. #110
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    Holy

  11. #111
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    Not LG but might as well be:


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    Not LG but might as well be:


  13. #113
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    Expectations for next year on Lakersground:
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    Total Votes : 60


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    Expectations for next year on Lakersground:
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    Total Votes : 60

    Its not a coincidence that since I left, LG has fallen apart. The unbelievably extreme denial on that board about the Lakers is incredible. I was also a member of Lakersnation for years and that board is much better and more realistic about the Lakers with the exception of a few members. LG though is border line re ed, if you speak the truth you get flamed. Lots of people on Kobe's on that board and not enough true LAKER fans.

    I rarely if ever check in on that board but there are many who were critical of Kobe's contract and they got flamed for it. Its gotten so bad they ban people now for speaking against Byron Scott or Jeremy Lin. Its as if they cant accept the reality that Jim Buss is the captain of the anic.

  15. #115
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    Every fanbase has some delusional ones, so don't act like your doesn't stink either. Also, I don't mind the optimism about next season. We might not win any rings soon, but if we get a good groove going, we could make a little noise and something to build off of.

  16. #116
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    ^ don't flatter yourself. That board was probably worse during the le years. You were too chicken to remove your purple tinted glasses. Now that they're irrelevant, you've hopped on this board. Check mid's LG bumps and you'll know you weren't any better.

  17. #117
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    Every fanbase has some delusional ones, so don't act like your doesn't stink either. Also, I don't mind the optimism about next season. We might not win any rings soon, but if we get a good groove going, we could make a little noise and something to build off of.
    True. Case in point the Spurs fans after 5. The Mavs krew on the other were MIA after 2011 chip.

  18. #118
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    ^Before you start cleaning other's houses clean your own in' house. When you had to give back 5 you walked around not here, but, upstairs lamenting your plight calling for Pop's ouster and Parker's ouster and stipulating to Duncan's sexuality and calling for his ouster. , you called the Compost Pile everything but a Brazilian.

    Don't you even start, Scan. Don't in' do it.

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    Its not a coincidence that since I left, LG has fallen apart. The unbelievably extreme denial on that board about the Lakers is incredible. I was also a member of Lakersnation for years and that board is much better and more realistic about the Lakers with the exception of a few members. LG though is border line re ed, if you speak the truth you get flamed. Lots of people on Kobe's on that board and not enough true LAKER fans.

    I rarely if ever check in on that board but there are many who were critical of Kobe's contract and they got flamed for it. Its gotten so bad they ban people now for speaking against Byron Scott or Jeremy Lin. Its as if they cant accept the reality that Jim Buss is the captain of the anic.
    Every fanbase has some delusional ones, so don't act like your doesn't stink either. Also, I don't mind the optimism about next season. We might not win any rings soon, but if we get a good groove going, we could make a little noise and something to build off of.
    Well, I have nothing at all against any Lakers player or the Lakers organization as a whole. I am well aware that every fanbase has some completely delusional idiots, we Mavs fans have that as well, that's not a secret. Or here at ST you'll also find some Spurs fans whose posts are rather crazy. That's normal, not a big deal. However, I've been reading through many forums in the last years and I haven't found any other fanbase in the entire NBA being so far away from reality as LG. Additionally, the majority of those delusional guys over there ain't Laker fans in the first meaning, they're first and foremost Kobe worshippers who have basically lost every contact to reality. Not even the worst LeBron or Jordan homers can have such idiotic thoughts. And as some of those gems written over there are basically impossible to believe, it's definitely funny to post them here. I have no problem to admit that.
    Last edited by Sportstudi; 07-31-2014 at 09:35 AM.

  20. #120
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    Laker fans are too stupid to see that they are in a no-win scenario thanks to Kobe and their idiot owner.

    If Kobe had taken a smaller contract, if they had kept Dwight and/or lured another major FA, they would be contenders. Didn't happen due to 48.5 ...
    Once Fredo gave Kobe that albatross of a contract, the next best outcome was to do ac ulate young talent. However they've already given the Suns their 2015 1st round pick and conditionally given the Magic their 2017 1st round pick (top 5 protected).

    All they have now is their own 2016 pick and the Rockets' 2015 1st round pick. They at least need to tank next year (2015-16) and try for a high lottery pick in 2016. Kobe of course will probably have delusions of grandeur about competing for a le and lead them to an 8/9 seed and a middling draft pick. Mitch knows that the Lakers are destined for mediocrity with Kobe in the next 2 years, so none of his contracts (except for Swaggy P and Randle) go beyond 2016. His plan is to have ample cap space and reload the roster once the franchise is free from the stench of Kobe.

    Lakers getting rid of Kobe will be almost as liberating as Magic getting rid of AIDS.

  21. #121
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    I've been a member of both Spurstalk and Lakersground for over 10 years now...both have ty posters who are delusional and unrealistic in their portrayal of their team and its players. That's what fans do.

  22. #122
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    ^Before you start cleaning other's houses clean your own in' house. When you had to give back 5 you walked around not here, but, upstairs lamenting your plight calling for Pop's ouster and Parker's ouster and stipulating to Duncan's sexuality and calling for his ouster. , you called the Compost Pile everything but a Brazilian.

    Don't you even start, Scan. Don't in' do it.
    I ain't even in the mood Dale, and look at yourself, you've gone full re with your Duncan's sexuality stickh.

    I watch half a dozen sports old man and i don't lament on the losses too much. I hardly post upstairs and i did stay active during the 2013 offseason despite 6.

  23. #123
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    I've been a member of both Spurstalk and Lakersground for over 10 years now...both have ty posters who are delusional and unrealistic in their portrayal of their team and its players. That's what fans do.
    I have to say though, no one beats die hard Kobe fans. Laker fans at LG usually have realistic takes, not unusual to see HC Kobe fans and Old Timers clash.

  24. #124
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    I've been a member of both Spurstalk and Lakersground for over 10 years now...both have ty posters who are delusional and unrealistic in their portrayal of their team and its players. That's what fans do.
    Absolutely Med ...LMFAO at the superiority complex on here. Overall the quality of posts are better over there because their mods are so strict. But here is way more fun ...but also overall more ty. Kobe is overrated on there but also hated on by Shaq loyalists and even those that object to his extension. Here Duncan (although the GOAT PF and arguably best overall big since KAreem, definitely since Hakeem) is overrated by some ... but that makes sense. Surprisingly Tony and Pop are underrated here. Manu is also overrated here as well but has his "haters".
    Last edited by Killakobe81; 07-31-2014 at 02:25 PM.

  25. #125
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    I have to say though, no one beats die hard Kobe fans. Laker fans at LG usually have realistic takes, not unusual to see HC Kobe fans and Old Timers clash.
    If Kobe actually had more individual accolades, they might have had a case. But they're too stupid to swallow their pride and always rank Kobe above Magic for some reason. Don't they know that Magic was arguibly the GOAT before Jordan three peated.

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