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    What about Ewing? Where exactly do you guys think he falls defensively when compared to Hakeem, Robinson, etc?
    Ewing was better than Hakeem in college on defense and his first few years in the league I thought he was amazing but his offense got better his defense fell off ...I think he was till very good but you make a case for ALonzo, Mutombo as well as HAkeem and David all being better defenders.

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    Helps that the Prime Duncan years were in the tiest era for offensive basketball.

    Legal zone defense + handchecking

    lol
    That's the case for pretty much everybody on these lists, tbh..

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    Helps that the Prime Duncan years were in the tiest era for offensive basketball.

    Legal zone defense + handchecking

    lol
    Handchecking was removed in 1994 tbh

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    I'll do them in terms of position.

    1st team:
    Olajuwon, Rodman, Pippen, Jordan, Payton

    2nd team:
    Chamberlain, Duncan, LeBron, Cooper, Magic

    3rd team:
    Russell, Garnett, Marion, Kobe, Kidd
    Magic?

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    Pinche rodman had his chance to guard hakeem and prove he was a great defender in 95. He pussed out.

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    Gary Payton adjusted defensive on/off results:

    1993: above average
    1994: above average
    1995: average
    1996: above average
    1997: above average
    1998: average
    1999: negative impact on his team
    2000: average
    2001: negative
    2002: negative
    2003: negative

    There was never a season where Payton's teams suffered significantly on defense when he left the floor, and didn't improve much when he was on the floor..

    You can argue against the numbers, but they translate well for every other great defender, even on the perimeter(Pippen, Jordan, Artest, Bowen, Rodman, Tony Allen, Iguodala, etc all have high-impact defensive on/off metrics that display their importance to them team)..
    Please post link. Not familiar with defensive plus minus.

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    Rather have Alonzo Mourning than Ben Wallace.

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    Pinche rodman had his chance to guard hakeem and prove he was a great defender in 95. He pussed out.
    So a 6'7 Rodman should've guarded a 7 foot Hakeem? I guess Parker should guard LeBron also,,,,Bruce Bowen should have guarded Shaq,,,,

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    So a 6'7 Rodman should've guarded a 7 foot Hakeem? I guess Parker should guard LeBron also,,,,Bruce Bowen should have guarded Shaq,,,,
    Rodman shut down a 7'3 Shaq multiple times

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    Rodman shut down a 7'3 Shaq multiple times
    Rodman never shutdown Shaq in his prime in any playoff series,,,,Ever. But Rodman is a top 5 defensive player of All Time.

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    Lol...who did rodman shutdown in 95....olajuwan or horry? Careful ese...ees trick question.

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    Lol...who did rodman shutdown in 95....olajuwan or horry? Careful ese...ees trick question.
    So Rodman should have carried Robinson's whimpy ass on defense like Duncan had to?

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    So Rodman should have carried Robinson's whimpy ass on defense like Duncan had to?
    Hey, your the pendejo rating him so high. Why not?

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    Hey, your the pendejo rating him so high. Why not?
    He is top 5,,,,when did I say he wasn't?,,,,you seem upset he didn't shutdown everyone every year he played.

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    Hey...when it counted in 95...he was a no show. Spurs could have 6.

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    Pendejo.

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    Hey...when it counted in 95...he was a no show. Spurs could have 6.
    When it counted?,,,LMAO. Take it easy, illegal.

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    He was laying down with his shoes off and in coocoo land during timeouts and he ees one of the best...I think not cavron!

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    Rodman shut down a 7'3 Shaq multiple times
    i don't think i've ever seen Shaq listed as 7'3 . dude's unanimously listed at 7'1

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    And FYI I don't know why you'd single out Camby, he was a damn good defender, with a DPOY to back it up.
    The year Marcus Camby won the DPOY his team was in the bottom 3 in points allowed per game @ 105 or something similar. Ridiculous. But he got blocks and rebounds

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    Most dominant player in the history of the NBA, most athletic 7 footer in the history of the NBA. Dismiss by saying rebounds and blocks are meaningless and athleticism = monkeyball. K.

    And FYI I don't know why you'd single out Camby, he was a damn good defender, with a DPOY to back it up.
    Camby was about the most overrated defender in the last little while. Sort of like Serge Ibaka.

    As for dominance, Wilt was dominant on the offensive front no doubt, you can even say that he was a dominant individual defender, but he was not a GOAT defender.

    Not sure if you have watched him play, but his style of defense was similar to that of DeAndre Jordan. He blocked a lot of shots, rebounded a lot, even deterred a lot of shots, but his style of D was not impactful like that of Russell, where he could win championships by anchoring a defense. Sure Russell had a bunch of HoFers next to him, but the way he can manage to shape the course of the game was unique. People who never saw him took him as some kind of Ben Wallace type defender, but he was more like a GOAT defender like how Magic and Jordan were the GOAT offensive player. The closest I can come up with is that Russell had the one on one defense of Robinson and the team defensive smarts of Duncan.

    If you want to go by statistics, Wilt had his career high in DWS of 10.7, leading the league once in that category (can't compare this with modern day numbers as the calculations are totally different), whereas Bill Russell had 6 seasons with more than a 10.7 DWS, leading the league 8 times in that category.

    As for Camby, his career high DWS was 5.9, never once led the league in that category. For comparison's sake, Robinson have 9 seasons of 6 or higher, leading the league 3 times, Duncan had 9 seasons of 6 or higher, leading the league 5 times.can.
    Last edited by ambchang; 07-21-2014 at 01:31 PM.

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    Rodman never shutdown Shaq in his prime in any playoff series,,,,Ever. But Rodman is a top 5 defensive player of All Time.
    You are wrong





    Shaq pissed


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    Russell, Rodman, Hakeem, Pippen, Payton tbh.
    That's a great list. Duncan needs to be in there as well, maybe just outside the top 5.

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    Kobe: 5

    the tired old bag Duncan: 5

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    Russell, Hakeem, Rodman, Pippen, LeBron

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