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I rest my case. ^ Open mouth, insert foot! ^Grandpa pretending to be intelligent…
Thinks Ringo was a great drummer...
Grandpa pretending to be intelligent…
Thinks Ringo was a great drummer...
I rest my case. ^ Open mouth, insert foot! ^Grandpa pretending to be intelligent…
Thinks Ringo was a great drummer...
Personally I like the Beatles & their influence on similar bands that followed.
Without the Beatles we may never have had Back Street Boys, Menudo, The Go Go’s or Nossa.
It's amazing how many people overrate the Beatles.
I guess it depends on what they are being rated on. Over 600,000,000 albums sold. They obviously did something that a lot of people liked.
Quan y isn't necessarily quality. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they weren't an exceptional group, but people talk as if everything they shat out was gold and they can walk on water.
I agree with that. My point was that if they are being judged by songwriting, which is probably best gauged by sales, then they are at the top. But yeah...all this talk about their exceptional technical skills...is ridiculous.
Of course no one is saying everything they put out was gold, but if you go by record sales alone, then that is not an exaggeration, it is as close to being accurate as you can get when it comes to the music world.
But no one writes perfectly, and no one is a perfect musician.
Sales is as close to being accurate as you can get in the music world? I have to agree significantly. Tons of music moves like McDonalds burgers.
But very few competent and accomplished musicians criticized their music or abilities. That says a lot.
Plus their music has stood the test of time so far. That also says a lot.
Yes, there has been a lot of crappy stuff that has come out posing as music, but also selling like hot cakes, yet it is also criticized by the competent and accomplished musicians of the world for the crap that it is.
Yea so I guess McDonald burgers are the best on account that they sell the most…
Why should I as a musician criticize a group who has sold so much and actually alienate my own fan base? Makes a lot of sense. Nobody is beyond criticism, you're making a claim that you cannot substantiate.
Stood the test of time? I never said they're a bad group. Actually said the opposite. And how do you define, "Standing the test of time"? Hmmm? More record sales? People influencing others and saying how great they are to spread the propaganda? Nobody said that good musicians haven't sold records, I'm just saying that's a poor way to go about judging a good musician(s).
If you are indeed an accomplished musician, then you already know exactly what I mean.
What are you resorting to? Mysterious, "If you are on the inside" arguments?
I think it's because people tend to equate their innovation and timing with talent/musicianship. No doubt that they changed the music scene and have probably influenced EVERY musician since their time. No doubt they are the greatest songwriters EVER. But as far as technical music talent goes, they were average at best. The 2 posters who first took issue with my comment, both qualified their responses with "their earlier stuff" and "in the beginning". Did the Beatles really improve that much? Or did they reap the benefits of the timing of the technological advances of those years? Did their meteoric success avail them the funds to pay for technology few had access to at the time?
The song Eleanor Rigby was cited as an example of their greatness earlier. And I do not contest the fact that it is a GREAT song. But to attribute its greatness as the result of the musical skills of the 4 Beatles is not accurate. This is from wiki (sorry I can't direct link right now):
""Eleanor Rigby" does not have a standard pop backing. None of the Beatles played instruments on it, though John Lennon and George Harrison did contribute harmony vocals. [28] Like the earlier song "Yesterday", "Eleanor Rigby" employs a classical string ensemble—in this case an octet of studio musicians, comprising four violins, two cellos, and two violas, all performing a score composed by producer George Martin."
I'm not knocking that the Beatles were an amazing phenomenon and remain so to this day. They were as amazing as the talent and support they could afford to surround themselves with.
Very well articulated.
No, I am not going to argue the point because it is the epitome of idiocy to do so.What are you resorting to? Mysterious, "If you are on the inside" arguments?
Only a complete and total moron would make the statements that he did, and that you are trying to argue.
No competent and accomplished musician ever would. They would be laughed off the stage.
It is like saying that da Vinci or van Gogh were terrible painters.
This is beyond dumb, it is imbecilic, and totally laughable to the point of ignorance.
So, this is your style of posting? Casual insults attempting to aggravate others while not even substantially addressing the major flaws in your argument? Nice.
My style of posting has nothing to do with the point.
Try telling any accomplished musician what you are saying here and see what their response will be.
Totally ridiculous.
They'll say that record sales is an accurate indicator of ability? They'll say exactly what I said in response initially. "Well, well, millions of people like the Beatles". SO what, millions of people like Nelly. You can't even articulate "standing the test of time", your own claim. You sir, are the epitome of idiocy.
Sales is a good indicator of how well received their music is. People liked the music. But with the Beatles, there is also the testimony of how many future artists they influenced. So I think it adds some validity to their "greatness".
McDonald's isn't a great analogy because there's a pretty big price gap between them and quality food. Also a convenience and availability factor.
Don't throw your BS at me, especially when you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to musical creativity and ability.
And then try to sidetrack it by talking about my writing style, because your credibility is not aided by that tactic.
Like I said, go tell another accomplished musician what you and the other laughable poster said and see what occurs, you will be laughed off the stage.
Plus I never said they were perfect musicians, rather I said they weren't and that no one is.
Oh yeah? I can walk to a top rated (on Zagat) steakhouse on Long Island and get a lunch within 4 dollars of a McDonalds meal. So that's absolutely not true.
Do they have a drive through? Can your meal in 2 minutes? Are there similar restaurants available through the U.S.? And even still...with a family of 4, that's $16.
Now we're equating speed with quality? Speed is about convenience, so is the drive through. And if there's restaurants like this in one of the biggest markets in the world, lets not act like there aren't others across this nation. And actually, I wasn't even considering the Burger and fries which is 12 dollars. And the fries are homemade
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