Throughout his career Tony faced a lot of great PGs in the playoffs: Marbury, Payton, Kidd, Nash, D.Williams, C.Paul, Billups, Curry, Westbrook, Lillard and beat them all. Tony has 4 rings, all those other combined have 3 (Payton, Kidd and Billups).
When you rank those PGs and all their achievements where you put Tony? For me there's no doubt he belongs to the top, with Kidd and Nash. All those other were great players, put great stats but I think we can't ignore Tony 4 rings. And also in the head to head match ups in the the Playoffs series none of those dominated Tony. What do you think?
It's also funny how long Tony has been in the top. He started in 2002 playing against Payton and last year was playing at a high level against Westbrook and Lillard.
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Tony is somewhat limited by the Spurs system. He's not the most athletic, but he's crafty and smart (the opposite of Westbrook). On a different team his numbers would have been higher. But he realized early he wanted to win, so he sacrificed numbers.
Patty>Tony.
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He peaked in 07
Fine, you go with that. I'm going with 2013.
2013 tbh. But dude stunk it up in gm 6 & 7 though.
I was going to tell you off then I saw the blue font.
You go score on LeBron James with a grade 2 hamstring strain tbh
That was the problem tbh.
I'd actually like to know his stats vs other PG's, because I can remember quite clearly the likes of Dragic, Nash, Conley, Kidd, WB, even Chalmers etc. raping the Spurs in years past.
Parker has always had a great perimeter defender to help lock down those opposing PG's, from Bowen to Green and Leonard. Can't forget about one of the ATG shot blockers in locking down the paint.
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2013 Tony was 2014 Westbrook good. tbh, I can't wait to see what he looks like with some rest. Hopefully he didn't lose a step, his speed is his biggest asset, IMO.
Choke Paul is getting to T-Mac levels with his inability to get out of the 2nd round...
I'd like to see some stats about all these guys "raping" the Spurs. I think it's going to be funny how bad your memory is.
Hamstring.
You go make 10-15 dimes on LeBron and the Miami defense with a grade 2 hamstring strain. No matter how you dice it, he had a significant injury. You move the goal posts now and are complaining that he was score-first, instead of just "stunk". Scoring is part of his game, and he is directed to do so. That's outside the injury.
Ain't that the truth. Also, as if the other teams didn't try to put their lock down defenders on him. Stating The Spurs put their defenders on the opposing guards, while Tony had free range on offense. They totally game-planned in attempts to keep him out of the lane as well.
I don't know the actual stats of him h2h, as I said, he's always had an ATG shot blocker at the rim and elite perimeter defenders guarding opposing PG's.
2012 Tony was a top 10 player in the regular season, and 2013 Tony was a top 5 player in the regular season
Deandre Jordan 2.5 blocks per game last season
Duncan 1.9
Paul, and others have had plenty of help around them, too. Tim has been good, but hasn't been the elite defender he was for several years. Before that, Paul had a young West and Chandler defending the rim. They weren't chopped liver. Using arguments that diminish Tony's accomplishments like "he has good defenders" allows us to diminish a guard like Nash's numbers: His assists are artificially inflated due to 7 seconds or less offense, or playing with Amar'e. I don't think that's fair to Nash. While there may be some nuggets of truth in each argument, it is difficult to hold something against Parker like you are. He had Bowen for a while, and elite Tim for a while, but Kawhi has only emerged in the last two-three years.
Gary Payton >>>>>>>>>> Steve Nash
Here's a real quick look at the playoff stats for Parker against other top point guards. I threw this together very quickly using basketball reference, so forgive any errors.
Against Payton, Kidd, Nash, Billups, Williams, Paul, and Westbrook:
Tony Parker has played 91 playoff games and has gone 54W-37L, a 59% win percentage.
Overall stats:
Parker: 18.8 PPG, 5.3 AST, 0.9 STL, 2.9 TO in 35.9 MIN/GM
Others: 18.3 PPG, 7.7 AST, 1.5 STL, 2.8 TO in 39 MIN/GM
Per/36 stats:
Parker: 18.9 PPG, 5.3 AST, 0.9 STL, 2.9 TO
Others: 16.9 PPG, 7.2 AST, 1.3 STL, 2.6 TO
The only series where Parker has really been beaten handily head-to-head is against Billups in 2005, where Parker averaged 13.9 PTS and 3.4 AST, compared to Billups' 20.4 PTS and 6.3 AST. Take those 7 games out and I'm sure the numbers are more in Parkers' favor.
Based on these stats, its hard to say that Parker doesn't deserve to be in the conversation as best of the era, especially given the fact that Payton and Westbrook are the only two people he doesn't have a winning record against (and he's 6-6 against Westbrook). You don't have to think he's the best, but to folks claiming he's been dominated by other top point guards, the numbers just don't bear that claim out.
Tony's longevity and consistent excellence wear them all down.
Tony Parker took his game to an MVP level in 2012 and 2013.
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