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    Thanks, it would account for all the hypocrisy that goes on in here!

    FANATICS, and their fanatical views.

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    Damn. Looks to me like Atheists spend A LOT more time concerned about Christians than the other way around. It is EASY to be an atheist. Just look at this thread. The "believers" are ridiculed, called idiots - and are the subject of you fine strawman video there.

    My wife is a professor of Biochemistry (She is specifically a protein-structure Biochemist), has been published in the (peer reviewed) journals Science and Nature (among many others) - most of the morons on here wouldn't understand the covers of those rags, much less the abstracts or articles published therein. She understands evolution, and that the universe is ~14 Billion years old, the earth about 5 billion, and that for the VAST amount of its history, human beings did not exist. The recognizes the similarities in all life forms, seeing the same biochemical processes in yeast bacteria that also exist, and allow our own lives to continue. There is a basic component to life that is replicated throughout the animal and plant kingdoms - the variations that exist at the most basic levels are minor, but cause extreme variation where the tire meets the road. Today she is finishing up the purification steps of a mutation of Rad51 protein so that she can stick it under the departments new million dollar microscope to see what it looks like.

    She understands life, where it came from, and its variation more than, I suspect, anyone on this board, yet she believes in, and prays to God.

    The people who start these threads, and then revel in ridiculing Christians who try to explain their beliefs are sad. Your arrogance that YOU hold answers to questions you don't understand (and I'm not talking spiritual, I mean scientific); that the ONLY thing you know for sure is that there IS NO GOD!!!!! And since you KNOW this absolute truth, it is SO obvious, EVERYONE who does believe must be a certifiable, gullible, moron.

    Now there are certainly braches of Christianity that do themselves no favors in dispelling that label. Young Earthers, strict creationists, etc.... deny their own intelligence and logic. They question that which is quite observable and repeatable in the World around them based on a literal reading of a book that was never meant to be read literally. Seriously, talk to a Ra bi - the old testament is the work of the Jews after all....Jews do not read it literally; they pray on it, and interpret it. As Paul writes in 2nd Thessalonians "Question Everything" - by everything, he means everything - including church leaders. God gave you a brain for a reason - USE IT!!! I can imagine the face palm he does daily when some of you are searching those idiot websites that try to explain away actual, physical evidence that the Earth/Universe is the age it is. Make no mistake, by not using your gifts, your intelligence, your logical brain...you are disappointing God.

    The Gospel of John begins with an explanation of Christ's origins "The Word was made Flesh". However, in the original Greek, the word translated as "Word"was "Logos". The more traditional translation of "Logos" is "Logic" or "Thought". I don't know why English translators of the bible used "Word" - but that a different translation there certainly makes a difference in interpretation, don't you think. And that's just one example...so at the very least, if you are going to take the Bible literally, at least learn the languages it was written in, so you can actually READ the bible! I'm not going to, so I'm going to keep an open, critical mind when I study the bible - understanding it has been written, translated and changed by MAN for several millenia now.

    I have, through this come to my own conclusion that when God created us in his own image, he was NOT talking about his physical image. He created us in his mental image - what separates Humans from other animals, after all, is our brain's ability to reason, empathize and process. We can think about where we are, where we came from, and where we are going. God, after all, created us for companionship - he desperately wants us to be good to each other and to choose to be companions with him. Giving us the ability to NOT choose him, and to even determine that he doesn't exist at all, is a necessity.
    The video was meant to be amusing, but I can very easily find Christians saying bad things about atheists, if you like.

    I don't claim there is no God. That is a strawman of my position. I merely claim that I have not been presented with evidence supporting that rather extraordinary claim.



    Reasonable people can believe unreasonable things. I don't generally belittle people who believe things, unless they want to cast the first stone. I tend to give about as much respect as I am given, or at least try to anyway.

    If anyone wants to cite the Bible, edited or re-written or whathaveyou, as "proof" of something,one has have to also explain the icky stuff, like human sacrifice, murder, rape, and the sheer absurdity of the resurrection and the whole underpinning of Judaism/Christianity, etc.



    Lastly, I would simply ask why God has not revealed himself to me. If a road to damascus vision was good enough for Saul, it should be good enough for me. I want to see angels, and something a lot more convincing than some deeply flawed book. Surely the creator of the universe could do better than that. THinking that we need to learn ancient languages to really understand God makes about as much sense as requiring us to go to the basement bathroom of a building orbiting Alpha Centari to read the demolition notice for our planet. I can't imagine the creator of the universe is a Vogon.

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    Here's a question.... What happened to the Kangaroo's for Noah's arch? How about no mention of them.... or any of the other species on Australia?
    The easiest explanation of that is that the primitive people that wrote the fairy tale didn't know about them.

    That is why Jesus was performing magic tricks. It had to be something that people back then could conceive of as being godlike.

    There is a reason the miracles in the bible or any other mythology don't include things like "oh yeah, by the way, diseases come from tiny life forms", or "the earth goes around the sun" or "the earth is spinning on its axis".

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    I also believe many of those laws were given to help his people survive while in the wilderness.
    Feel free to find anywhere in the bible a passage saying that any of those commandments were null and void.

    I'll wait.

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    Feel free to find anywhere in the bible a passage saying that any of those commandments were null and void.

    I'll wait.
    Wait for what? The Bible clearly states those laws were for the Jews, they became void when the Jews refused to accept Jesus as the Son of God.

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    And the questions to all of your answers are in the Bible. You clearly want to argue for the sake of it. You really aren't interested in learning the truth.

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    I'm talking fish to land animal to ape, did you see it happen?
    I can see that murder defense now...

    The police when they show up to arrest someone...

    "But officers, did you SEE me do it?"

    Then they are hauled in front of a jury, and all the physical evidence is provided. "but ladies and gentlemen of the jury, did you SEE me do it? No? Therefore I didn't do it, and no murder ever took place! The police didn't see me do it either."

    Not really a very compelling argument, and a rather dishonest attempt to set an impossible standard of evidence, in my opinion.

    We can figure out what happened in the past by examining evidence of things that took place, and making reasonable, testable, reproducible hypotheses.

    Even setting that aside, theories have predictive power, and evolution has predicted a lot of things that we have later discovered to be true.

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    I'm talking fish to land animal to ape, did you see it happen?
    did you see Christopher Columbus land in north america?

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    Matthew 23:37,38

    37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you.

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    Zero evidence of an ape evolving into a man.

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    Feel free to find anywhere in the bible a passage saying that any of those commandments were null and void.

    I'll wait.
    Exodus 19:5,6
    5 Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special propertyout of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me.6 You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.

    Are we Israelites?

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    And the questions to all of your answers are in the Bible. You clearly want to argue for the sake of it. You really aren't interested in learning the truth.
    The Bible's answer to a better society is slavery and death penalty for gays.

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    The Bible's answer to a better society is slavery and death penalty for gays.
    Hmmm, can gays have children?

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    Zero evidence of an ape evolving into a man.
    not quite true.

    But there truly is zero evidence for an adult human to suddenly pop into existence.

    Lol magic

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    Hmmm, can gays have children?
    Yes. But that aside I guess you're ok with killing them.

    lol damn

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    Yes.

    lol damn you're stupid.
    Really? A man can have sex with another man and create a child?

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    not quite true.

    But there truly is zero evidence for an adult human to suddenly pop into existence.

    Lol magic
    So explain how life got here, I'll wait.

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    You keep calling me stupid but you're the one that didn't realize your wife was cheating on you for two years. Really? You must be quite the genius.

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    Really? A man can have sex with another man and create a child?
    A man can adopt.

    But kill them regardless, young Christian.

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    You keep calling me stupid but you're the one that didn't realize your wife was cheating on you for two years. Really? You must be quite the genius.
    I'm clearly more intelligent than you.

    You're a ing idiot.

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    This is a very strong topic...and an issue within every human. How...and what created us?

    Not to find it offensive to us but.......we're are just a freak accident of the universe. We've yet to find anything living in this universe other than ourselves. There have been "Super Earths" found but yet to prove life exists on them. Thus far, we seem to be virus...and plague that feeds off the Earth's resources till it ends.

    In my own opinion.....god is the universe.....and everything in it. We are the atoms....the quarks...the molecules..that make up this universe. We as human's always look to one answer or even various answers to all implications, adversities, and blessings of life.

    I could say..time, chance, gravity, stars, etc are our gods. They aren't divine figures but factors that are important to our existence.

    The only god I've been able to see is this Earth.....and what does it do for you? Its a gift that keeps never stops giving and everything about it....is unappreciated by all of us. As I look around my house now, everything....was extracted from this earth to allow me...to live a comfortable life. Everything from Earth originated was brought here by the force of gravity. Substances brought in from Gravity was created from stars. These these were created through chance...and took time to happen. What allows all this to happen? The Universe..and everything that exists in it. Can I get a amen? lol

    But yes...this is just how I feel about this very controversial subject. I won't argue with anyone about this..because.....................I know what it leads to. From watching so many do entaries with various answers, I can't even say that my answer is the ultimate answer. At least its off of factors I know exist and are uncontrollable.

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    A man can adopt.

    But kill them regardless, young Christian.
    Why would I kill them? Won't they eventually die off if they can't have children? What's the point of a woman? That's right, God created them for one another.

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    I'm clearly more intelligent than you.

    You're a ing idiot.
    Says the guy who didn't know his wife was cheating on him for 2 years.

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    So explain how life got here, I'll wait.
    It's unknown but I'm open to any number of scientific theories based on what we know of the universe.

    What is ing hilarious and makes you the re that you are is that you want to limit yourself to believing that a magic being poofed human beings into existence with all the imperfect pain and suffering that go with it.

    Lol low intelligence.

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    It's unknown but I'm open to any number of scientific theories based on what we know of the universe.

    What is ing hilarious and makes you the re that you are is that you want to limit yourself to believing that a magic being poofed human beings into existence with all the imperfect pain and suffering that go with it.

    Lol low intelligence.
    You didn't know your wife was cheating on you, how is that possible? Are you really that stupid?

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