Foundational Falshoods of Creationism

[RD2191]

Creating the Heavens and Earth ain't easy.

[xmas1997]

Time is "relative".
Someone traveling at a great velocity will experience time differently than someone going very slow.
The 1000 years being a day for God I seriously doubt was meant to be taken literally.
Only in modern times did man agree to use 24 hours as the generally world wide view of what a day actually is, and that view is flawed to a certain extent, thus why we have Leap Years, to make up the difference.
See Einstein's theory of relativity.
But it is not a stretch to say that time in and of itself could not exist without matter to coexist with.
Both are part and parcel of the same thing, energy.
And all of this makes up God, an All-sentient En y who created it all because all of it is of Him.

[xmas1997]

If those early humans thought that a day to God was a thousand years, then who are we to say it isn't?

We have only written accounts to know for sure, unless you examine it deep within yourself to come to a more accurate conclusion.
So can those very early written accounts be trusted?
I dare say no one knows the answer until they die.
But science is working on it.
It is useless to ask what is a day to God because first, you have to believe in God, and second you have to believe that God would explain it to you.
Without the first, you cannot understand the second.

[RD2191]

If those early humans thought that a day to God was a thousand years, then who are we to say it isn't?

We have only written accounts to know for sure, unless you examine it deep within yourself to come to a more accurate conclusion.
So can those very early written accounts be trusted?
I dare say no one knows the answer until they die.
But science is working on it.
It is useless to ask what is a day to God because first, you have to believe in God, and second you have to believe that God would explain it to you.
Without the first, you cannot understand the second.

Yup yup yup.

[silverblk mystix]

Doesn't believe in God, sends kid to Christian school. S bag Blake ladies and gents.

pwnage


rofl

[RandomGuy]

Exodus 19:5,6
5 Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special propertyout of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me.6 You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.”

Are we Israelites?

Jesus Fulfills the Law
17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…

No. But I doubt this Jesus would agree that the old testament would not apply to us.

You don't get a pass, because the TEN commandments are part of that. Get rid of one, and the ten that most christians like to put forth go too.

Sorry.

[xmas1997]

pwnage


rofl

Silly blake, knows not what he does, fodder for the amusement of others.
Just ask his ex.

[RD2191]

No. But I doubt this Jesus would agree that the old testament would not apply to us.

You don't get a pass, because the TEN commandments are part of that. Get rid of one, and the ten that most christians like to put forth go too.

Sorry.

We aren't Jews. Mosaic law does not apply to us. Just because they don't apply to us however, does not mean that they aren't beneficial to modern Christians/believers.

[xmas1997]

According to Mel Brooks a couple of the tablets fell out of Moses' hands and broke into bits.
All that were left were the Ten Commandments out of say twenty or thirty.

[RD2191]

Actually RG, I could be wrong about that, when Jesus returned he told his followers that they needed to follow the ten commandments, he didn't mention other Mosaic laws iirc. I could be wrong though.

[RD2191]

16 Now look! someone came up to him and said: “Teacher, what good must I do to gain everlasting life?”+17 He said to him: “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good.+ If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.”+18 He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder,+ you must not commit adultery,+ you must not steal,+ you must not bear false witness,+19 honor your father and your mother,+ and you must love your neighbor as yourself.”+20

[xmas1997]

Some of the missing ones were:

Thou shalt not have slavery.
Thou shalt be allowed to marry many wives.
Thou shalt not commit pedophilia.
Thou shalt not commit beastiality.
And thou shalt not smoke cigarettes.

To name a few of the missing ones.
I'm sure you can come up with the rest.

[RD2191]

Matthew 19:16-19

[RandomGuy]

The answers are there if you look for them, you don't want to though. You're reading with an agenda.

I read the bible plenty.

Maybe you can answer this one:

There are quite a few instances where Yahweh orders the wholesale slaughter of towns.

Joshua 8:1-29
Joshua 6:20-21
Judges 20:48
Exodus 32:26-29

Etc, etc.

If you were ordered by the Lord to hack children to death, would you do it?

Remember:
You can't know God's plan, He could ask this of you tomorrow.

[RandomGuy]

16 Now look! someone came up to him and said: “Teacher, what good must I do to gain everlasting life?”+17 He said to him: “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good.+ If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.”+18 He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder,+ you must not commit adultery,+ you must not steal,+ you must not bear false witness,+19 honor your father and your mother,+ and you must love your neighbor as yourself.”+20

You missed the part where you are also told:

“If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Kind of important part that.

Don't see many rich Republicans giving away much to the poor despite their flatulence about being good Christians.

[xmas1997]

I read the bible plenty.

Maybe you can answer this one:

There are quite a few instances where Yahweh orders the wholesale slaughter of towns.

Joshua 8:1-29
Joshua 6:20-21
Judges 20:48
Exodus 32:26-29

Etc, etc.

If you were ordered by the Lord to hack children to death, would you do it?

Remember:
You can't know God's plan, He could ask this of you tomorrow.

Tough question.
Tougher job.
If you can't know Gods plan, you still might suspect certain things.
What if these children had an in curable highly infectious disease, or crazier, were space vampires?

[spurraider21]

i'm wondering at which point of the biblical tales god took his 1,000 year nap tbh

[RandomGuy]

16 Now look! someone came up to him and said: “Teacher, what good must I do to gain everlasting life?”+17 He said to him: “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good.+ If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.”+18 He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder,+ you must not commit adultery,+ you must not steal,+ you must not bear false witness,+19 honor your father and your mother,+ and you must love your neighbor as yourself.”+20

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. until all is accomplished.…

Of course, those commandments are meaningless anyway.

John 14:6King James Version (KJV)

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The only real thing you have to do is to believe in Jesus.

Murder, rape, steal, lie, just accept Jesus and it all goes away.

Not much of a moral code, IMO.

[RD2191]

I doubt God would ask of me to murder children. And you're reading with an agenda. You aren't looking for answers. You're looking to find things that are wrong or flawed in your eyes. Those were different times and different sets of laws and different cir stances.

And for the millionth time, you speak to me as if I am the official spokesman of the Bible and then end all be all to these questions. I don't know all of the answers. Your smugness isn't helping you at all. You act is if you're winning at something just because I can't answer all of your questions. As stated before, there are plenty of people who know more about the subjects at hand. You can find them all around if you really want answers.

[RandomGuy]

Tough question.
Tougher job.
If you can't know Gods plan, you still might suspect certain things.
What if these children had an in curable highly infectious disease, or crazier, were space vampires?

They are neither.

The only thing you know is God told you to do it, he finds them and their parents wicked.

Would you do it?

I would tell God to off. My moral system is far superior that of Bible God.

[RD2191]

Of course, those commandments are meaningless anyway.



The only real thing you have to do is to believe in Jesus.

Murder, rape, steal, lie, just accept Jesus and it all goes away.

Not much of a moral code, IMO.

That is simply not true, faith without works is dead. As before, you do not understand what you are reading.

[RD2191]

14 Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he does not have works?+ That faith cannot save him, can it?+15 If a brother or a sister is lacking clothing* and enough food for the day,16 yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it?+17 So, too, faith by itself, without works, is dead.+

[RD2191]

James 2:14-17

[spurraider21]

I doubt God would ask of me to murder children. And you're reading with an agenda. You aren't looking for answers. You're looking to find things that are wrong or flawed in your eyes. Those were different times and different sets of laws and different cir stances.

tbh i was raised christian (orthodox). armenian's are very christian and very proud of it. first nation to actually adopt christianity as its national religion, etc. my grandfather was a priest. its not like i was brought up and taught to be atheist or whatnot. i grew up learning the stories of the bible and was taught them as fact. went to armenian school which had weekly religion class until the end of middle school...

its just that the more i learned about the world, about history, chemistry, biology... the less sense it made. the stories which i had held onto as fact didn't have any sound reasoning behind them, and simply weren't consistent with what is actually observed, do ented, or backed up with hard evidence. for me, noah's ark was the tipping point, and i began to critically assess other fantastic stories of the bible for myself. in a family where pretty much everybody is religious its not like i was being pushed or taught to grow away from religion. it happened on its own the more i learned.

i dont want to hear about how "i'm not looking for answers, i have an agenda" because its simply not true. everything i say about the topic has a logical flow or some sound reasoning behind it.

[RD2191]

No it doesn't. The Bible does not have logical flaws. And you are not looking for answers, if you were, you would find them.