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Shaq
He's currently my favorite player, but I dont know how he should be ranked in terms of all time greats if he wins another FMVP..
on one hand, I don't believe he's done enough in the RS to warrant a top 50 list..
But can i get names of players that won consecutive FMVP and is not in the HOF?
Shaq
That little squirt draggin' that gay galoot Duncan to it. Amazing, simply amazing.
He'll already have as many fmvp's as Kobe
80 % chance he is getting better.
He'll already have as many fmvp's as LeBron & Kobe
Kawhi > KirbyPERIOD
Infidel that handicapped re ed kid will never be better than God. He's not in God's league and his Final's numbers don't even compare to God's best final's performances.Kawhi > KirbyPERIOD
That's 2/5 talking.Kawhi > KirbyPERIOD
Leonard is on the cusp of passing Kobrick for 2nd best sidekick of All Time right behind Pippen. Duncan is grooming the kid the right way. Diaw even knew to latch on to Duncans ankle and hang on for a le.
Shaq winning FMVP during the 3peat years is expected. He's the most dominant center of all time after all.
Now Jim potentially losing his 3rd FMVP to an autistic socially awkward kid named Kiwi after losing to a french choker... oh lawd. Jim makes coat-tailing look like an art form tbh.
They never called a play for him and he won finals MVP. Imagine if they did call plays for him and the ol' sport is only 23.
Might cause Duncan to give up the gay lifestyle and act like somebody. Kiwi took his gd manhood in the middle of in' June.
And thus, he dropped out of the top 10 all the way down to 14 after the fact. You can't hide something like that, and the public doesn't forgive.
If Magic had joined the Bulls in 96 to ride Jordan's coattails, quite honestly, I'd slap him right out of the top 2.
As long as Duncan rings,,,
Damn that would be nice, 2/2 on FMvPs at the age of 23, the only active players ahead of him on the all time ranks would be Timmy and Lebron tbh
If the Spurs do repeat, I would love to see Tony get FMVP just to see OP's reaction tbh.
Not since Chauncey Billups have I seen a more 'system' type player than Kiwi. Yes, hes a very good player and I actually respect him like Chauncey. But hes a system guy, hes not a marquee player like a Lebron or Durant.
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He's a distant second. I never thought about it, but it's weird that of the two most dominant centers of all time, one was an athletic freak who could touch the top of the backboard, and the other was a fatty.
Nothing wrong about that, tbh...
People are making it sound bad that a system player is a bad thing, but it really isn't.
TheBestEva brought up Chauncey Billups as an example, and it's a perfect one. Billups was an average guard before landing on the Pistons, he was considered a bust, or at least a disappointment, though as he was the #3 pick of a draft.
But once he got to the Pistons, he shined. He got to play in a system where his strengths, especially those on offense, were magnified. He was given the ball, and dictated a very deliberate offense. It cattered to his strengths and he became a star. The Pistons wouldn't have won a championship, or even be a strong contender if it wasn't for Billups, not too many PGs could fit into that role.
OTOH, the reverse is also true, Billups can't fit into too many other systems to be successful either, and that is why he was a system player.
The same could be said of Karl Malone.
Saying a player is a system player doesn't mean that his contributions were trivial, it simply means that his skillsets are suitable for a smaller set of systems.
Players like Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Jordan, Magic, these are dominant players who could play in any system and dominate. Shaq forces the entire team to play his way because he is so ridiculously dominant, you can plug random guys around him and he would still make the team successful, same with Hakeem, and Jordan. Magic and Duncan are very versatile players who can adapt their style of play according to the personnel around them, but still be the centre of the system.
Up till now, I can't see Leonard as a dominant player who forces teams to play his way because he is too good, or one who is so versatile that he could be a cornerstone to multiple systems. But he is still ridiculously critical to the Spurs system. He may (and I hope he does) prove me wrong, or he may evolve into a franchise type of player in the future, but as of now, I don't see it.
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