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    who else in the last 20 years has done more in this regard than israel?
    Iran and Saudi Arabia are using Palestinians as fodder via Hamas and other terrorist organizations.
    The Israelis do the killing.
    There are other more minor Middle East players that played a larger role in the past.

    Its a perfect setup. Why is this so difficult to see? It's going on in other places besides Gaza. Innocents being used as fodder to cause outrage.

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    Iran and Saudi Arabia are using Palestinians as fodder via Hamas and other terrorist organizations.
    The Israelis do the killing.
    There are other more minor Middle East players that played a larger role in the past.

    Its a perfect setup. Why is this so difficult to see? It's going on in other places besides Gaza. Innocents being used as fodder to cause outrage.
    oh, ok

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    Jordan killed a bunch of Palestinians in the 70s. Other arab nations have been less than nice to the "palestinians" in the past as well.

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    No.

    Its not OK.

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    Who thinks Israelis purposely target innocent civilians?

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    not me

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    Arab Leaders, Viewing Hamas as Worse Than Israel, Stay Silent

    Battling Palestinian militants in Gaza two years ago, Israel found itself pressed from all sides by unfriendly Arab neighbors to end the fighting.

    Not this time.


    After the military ouster of the Islamist government in Cairo last year, Egypt has led a new coalition of Arab states — including Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — that has effectively lined up with Israel in its fight against Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip. That, in turn, may have contributed to the failure of the antagonists to reach a negotiated cease-fire even after more than three weeks of bloodshed.


    “The Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Center in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.

    “I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummeling of Hamas,” he said. “The silence is deafening.”

    Although Egypt is traditionally the key go-between in any talks with Hamas — deemed a terrorist group by the United States and Israel — the government in Cairo this time surprised Hamas by publicly proposing a cease-fire agreement that met most of Israel’s demands and none from the Palestinian group. Hamas was tarred as intransigent when it immediately rejected it, and Cairo has continued to insist that its proposal remains the starting point for any further discussions.


    But as commentators sympathetic to the Palestinians slammed the proposal as a ruse to embarrass Hamas, Egypt’s Arab allies praised it. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt the next day to commend it, Mr. Sisi’s office said, in a statement that cast no blame on Israel but referred only to “the bloodshed of innocent civilians who are paying the price for a military confrontation for which they are not responsible.”

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/31...rael.html?_r=0

    hmm, political Islam is feared?

    Americans must also fear and block political Christians intent on an authoritarian theocracy.


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    Israel now trying to silence voices from Gaza via Twitter :

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    Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s only power plant may claim another, possibly unexpected, victim – Gaza’s powerful online voice.

    Live-tweeting IDF’s bombardment of her home on 29thJuly made 16 year old Farah Baker (@Farah_Gazan) one of Gaza’s most powerful online voices. Over 70,000 twitter users followed her in three days.

    But for 24 hours she was silent online, without even power to charge her phone.

    Her plaintive fears and emotions during an Israeli attack struck a powerful chord with Twitter users around the world."





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    an occupied palestine that has been pushed around and oppressed for decades has every right to retaliate.
    In that case, they have every right to get their ing ass kicked when they do.

    It's pretty simple, really.

    Stop ing with Israel and they will stop ing with you.

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    4000 Israeli rockets or bombs have struck Gaza, 1600 dead.

    People seriously think Israel is NOT trying to avoid civilian causualties.

    With as sophisticated weaponry Israel has, and as densely populated Gaza is, that death number could easily, very easily be over 100,000 dead.

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    Israel now trying to silence voices from Gaza via Twitter :

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    Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s only power plant may claim another, possibly unexpected, victim – Gaza’s powerful online voice.

    Live-tweeting IDF’s bombardment of her home on 29thJuly made 16 year old Farah Baker (@Farah_Gazan) one of Gaza’s most powerful online voices. Over 70,000 twitter users followed her in three days.

    But for 24 hours she was silent online, without even power to charge her phone.

    Her plaintive fears and emotions during an Israeli attack struck a powerful chord with Twitter users around the world."




    When a power plant is struck, people with generators have power.
    Who is going to have those generators working supplying light for tunnels and communications...
    And who will notice who has the power for extraneous activities while they have to suffer...
    Palestinians that are fodder...

    Very harsh calculated move by Israel most likely.

    Twitter... Sure thing.

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    This is about self preservation, not about image. Hamas is a legitimate threat to Israel's existence. They could've, and potentially probably would've, used those vast networks of tunnels to invade Israel with thousands of militants. There's no other reason to build such a vast network of tunnels.

    We're not talking about a small, disorganized militant. They have enough to start a ground invasion of Israel. This isn't even accounting for groups like ISIS and Hezbollah who are basically their allies. The former has already said they would come to Palesinian aid militarily.

    Israel isn't worried about image. If that is at the forefront of their mind they may not have an image to protect anyway.

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    How many civilians have died in Israel during this hissy fit?

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    How many civilians have died in Israel during this hissy fit?
    Doesn't matter.

    Hamas needs to quit ing with Israel.

    If PeeWee Herman was to sucker punch Mike Tyson it stands to reason he is gonna get his ass kicked big time.

    Thats Hamas pissing off Israel.

    As someone else pointed out, Israel has the capability to have leveled that whole hole to the ground by now. Israel is not targeting civilians but civilians will continue to be inadvertently killed as long as those pussy hamas terrorists keep using the Palestinian population as human shields.

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    So if Hamas were to acquiesce and recognize the sovereignty of Israel, do you guys think that the two state plan would work and Israel would allow autonomy? I imagine the Israelis would demand assurances Cons utionally.

    Would be nice to move forward in that region for once at least.

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    How many civilians have died in Israel during this hissy fit?
    3 - Israelis

    1400 - Palestinians
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    466 Palestinians for each 1 Israeli


    Which begs the question: Bigger Western BS the Hamas Rockets or Nazi Gas Chambers?

    All I keep hearing from Americans concerning this current conflict is how Adolf Hitler was ahead of his time. Jews have their so far up Americans ass, it's fairly obvious to see why Hitler had a plan. Europeans are saying: I told you so
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    Doesn't matter.

    Hamas needs to quit ing with Israel.

    If PeeWee Herman was to sucker punch Mike Tyson it stands to reason he is gonna get his ass kicked big time.

    Thats Hamas pissing off Israel.

    As someone else pointed out, Israel has the capability to have leveled that whole hole to the ground by now. Israel is not targeting civilians but civilians will continue to be inadvertently killed as long as those pussy hamas terrorists keep using the Palestinian population as human shields.
    In this scenario Mike Tyson has picked on Herman on a daily basis (Regulated his usage of the bathroom, electricity & running water) and forced him to live out his life in a 8x8 room. Then one day Herman sucker punches Tyson. We would all applaud Herman for sticking up for himself.

    Sidenote: Would love to see USA take the Jewish nutsack out of their mouth and equally equip and fund Hamas. I'm fairly certain in that case Palestine would make quick dust of the pussy Jews

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    In this scenario Mike Tyson has picked on Herman on a daily basis (Regulated his usage of the bathroom, electricity & running water) and forced him to live out his life in a 8x8 room. Then one day Herman sucker punches Tyson. We would all applaud Herman for sticking up for himself.

    Sidenote: Would love to see USA take the Jewish nutsack out of their mouth and equally equip and fund Hamas. I'm fairly certain in that case Palestine would make quick dust of the pussy Jews

    Yeah, let's fund terrorists.

    Dumbass

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    Yeah, let's fund terrorists.

    Dumbass
    USA "funds terrorists" all the time. I.E Ukraine, Syria, Libya etc etc

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    The Palestinians' worst enemy is Hamas.

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    3 - Israelis

    1400 - Palestinians
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    466 Palestinians for each 1 Israeli


    Which begs the question: Bigger Western BS the Hamas Rockets or Nazi Gas Chambers?

    All I keep hearing from Americans concerning this current conflict is how Adolf Hitler was ahead of his time. Jews have their so far up Americans ass, it's fairly obvious to see why Hitler had a plan. Europeans are saying: I told you so
    Yes.

    Israel has systematically set up a program, and kept meticulous records of the plan to eliminate 11 million Palestinians because, well, they are Palestinian.
    But the plan fell short by 6 million.

    Sure thing.

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    Why is Israel blowing up schools and hospitals? What's the goal in mind on doing that?

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