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    If 2013 Manu got 14M/yr

    It was only right Parker got the same at the same age
    2013 manu got 2 years 14MM

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    backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals
    13.4M is the most he could get in year 1. Frontloading the extension would reduce the total value by several million dollars.

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    backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals

    although i think since its an extension its probably not able to be frontloaded
    If it's not backloaded then the $45m figure from Woj will be way off. It is almost certainly going to be as described.

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    Hmmm hopefully this extension makes him reconsider whether or not he wants to playing internationally anymore...
    He gave an interview in June where he said that he would play for France in 2015 and 2016.

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    Barring an injury or a significant regression in playing level, Kawhi's annual salary in his next deal will be at or near the max. With the predicted increases in the salary cap, locking him up for 5 years at 2015 prices is not the worst thing that could happen.
    It's not the worst, but IMO it's clearly not the best. If the max another team offers him is Gordon Hayward money, there is absolutely no reason to pay him more. Especially because there are still questions on whether or not, in an expanded role, he would be worth that money. Seems likely and market price certainly dictates that, but I don't think it's an absolute. If you pay him a ton (highest paid player on the team even at Hayward money) and he somehow lives up to that, then fine, you can pay him more later if you want.

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    calling it the max makes perfect sense because they couldn't possibly have given more at this stage
    But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.

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    Those numbers say a lot about Tony being a major part of teams that have been good enough to play in a whole lot of playoff games.

    Assuming he stays healthy for the next few years and the Spurs don't bottom out when Duncan retires (which now seems much less likely), Parker has a relatively good shot at finishing his career near the very top of the all-time lists in:
    playoff games -- at 196, he's 63 short of Derek Fisher(259) for 1st; 5th place at the moment is Kobe with 220, so that's definitely within reach:
    Games
    259 -- Fisher
    244 -- Horry
    237 -- Abdul-Jabbar
    234 -- Duncan
    220 -- Bryant
    216 -- O'Neal
    208 -- Ainge
    196 -- Parker

    points -- he's 13th, but will almost certainly pass Havlicek and Hakeem to move into 11th place the next time he plays in the playoffs (he's only 50 points short of Hakeem for 12th, and 71 points short of Havlicek for 11th). One more long playoff run should get him past Larry Bird for 10th. Beyond that, it's at least another 500 points to jump into the top 9:
    Points
    5987 -- Jordan
    5762 -- Abdul-Jabbar
    5640 -- Bryant
    5250 -- O'Neal
    4988 -- Duncan
    4761 -- K. Malone
    4580 -- Erving
    4457 -- West
    4419 -- James
    3897 -- Bird
    3776 -- Havlicek
    3755 -- Olajuwon
    3705 -- Parker

    assists -- he's 8th now, but only 6 behind Kobe for 7th, only 14 behind Pippen for 6th, only 27 behind Nash for 5th, and only 28 behind Bird for 4th. If he plays in the 2015 playoffs, Parker should at least finish that run ahead of Pippen and Bird, and will likely be ahead of Kobe. He won't be chasing Nash for long, even if Nash plays in the 2015 playoffs:
    Assists
    2346 -- Johnson
    1839 -- Stockton
    1263 -- Kidd
    1062 -- Bird
    1061 -- Nash
    1048 -- Pippen
    1040 -- Bryant
    1034 -- Parker
    Damn so next year Parker will pass Nash in Playoff assists at 32 Nash has been in the league for 50 years too... Will pass Larry Bird in points as well hopefully

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    3 years/45 million.

    Not bad. Parker is the best PG in the league hands down, and it's about time he gets paid like it. Chris Paul still makes 20 mil a year, but he has to give 50% of that back to the state of California due to their insane income taxes, which Texas doesn't even have. So Tony is actually making 5 mil more than him now. It's about damn time.
    Not exactly...

    CA has a state income tax that tops out at 12.3%.

    The rest of his taxes come from federal income taxes, which would be the same for TP9 or CP3.

    I think the way the rules work, he's only paying CA state income tax on the games he plays in CA. The rest are paid at the state tax levels of those states.

    Texas property taxes are killer compared to California, which are frozen by Prop 13 rules.

    So it's true that you'll probably come out ahead in Texas, it's not nearly as big a difference as you'd think.

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    Solid contract. No problems with the amount he's getting. He's paid his dues, now it's time for the Spurs to return the favor to one of the most underrated players in the history of the NBA.

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    backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals

    although i think since its an extension its probably not able to be frontloaded
    But this is an extension, I don't think it can be frontloaded. Also, considering the cap is going up over the next few years, backloading deals is not as bad. Parker's salary would go up but it would mean even less of a percentage of the Spurs' cap.

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    It's not the worst, but IMO it's clearly not the best. If the max another team offers him is Gordon Hayward money, there is absolutely no reason to pay him more. Especially because there are still questions on whether or not, in an expanded role, he would be worth that money. Seems likely and market price certainly dictates that, but I don't think it's an absolute. If you pay him a ton (highest paid player on the team even at Hayward money) and he somehow lives up to that, then fine, you can pay him more later if you want.
    It'd be impossible for the Spurs to pay him more per year than Hayward (relative to the cap), the only difference would be the 5th year.

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    But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.
    if he played another season his market value could have changed based on performance/injury. i understand your point but i have no problems calling a max extension what it is

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    It's not the worst, but IMO it's clearly not the best. If the max another team offers him is Gordon Hayward money, there is absolutely no reason to pay him more. Especially because there are still questions on whether or not, in an expanded role, he would be worth that money. Seems likely and market price certainly dictates that, but I don't think it's an absolute. If you pay him a ton (highest paid player on the team even at Hayward money) and he somehow lives up to that, then fine, you can pay him more later if you want.
    That's said quite often here, but it's not true.

    A reason to pay him more would be to keep him off the market next summer. Of course, they'd match a Hayward deal, but that's not the real danger. Think in terms of another franchise that wants to screw the Spurs. A two year max offer sheet with a player option after year 1 would be a very bad situation for the Spurs.

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    But this is an extension, I don't think it can be frontloaded. Also, considering the cap is going up over the next few years, backloading deals is not as bad. Parker's salary would go up but it would mean even less of a percentage of the Spurs' cap.
    yeah i figured (and its been commented on by ST capologists)... his first year salary in an extension is based on what he's making in 14-15 and he is eligible for subsequent raises at that point

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    45/3 for a backup PG

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    That's said quite often here, but it's not true.

    A reason to pay him more would be to keep him off the market next summer. Of course, they'd match a Hayward deal, but that's not the real danger. Think in terms of another franchise that wants to screw the Spurs. A two year max offer sheet with a player option after year 1 would be a very bad situation for the Spurs.
    I don't really see how that's a true danger to the Spurs, but I digress.

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    yeah i figured (and its been commented on by ST capologists)... his first year salary in an extension is based on what he's making in 14-15 and he is eligible for subsequent raises at that point
    7.5% I believe.

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    But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.
    That's why people say "contact" or "extension". That's the secret to knowing if they are talking about a max contact our extension.

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    That's said quite often here, but it's not true.

    A reason to pay him more would be to keep him off the market next summer. Of course, they'd match a Hayward deal, but that's not the real danger. Think in terms of another franchise that wants to screw the Spurs. A two year max offer sheet with a player option after year 1 would be a very bad situation for the Spurs.
    Kawhi isn't Lebron, no way he would consider signing that sheet. Players like Lebron, Durant, Davis etc... could tear an ACL and still get a max contract, Leonard is not in that league. We'd obviously match regardless but if he failed to improve he might not get another shot at the max when the cap goes up.

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    I don't really see how that's a true danger to the Spurs, but I digress.
    In that scenario, he'd be an unrestricted free agent in 2016 or 2017 instead of 2020. The cap would be higher in those years than 2015 which would make the cost of retaining him higher, not to say anything about the possibility that he could choose to play elsewhere.

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    Danny can't be extended (only players on contracts at least 4 years long can be extended). He'll be a free agent next summer.
    Indeed. It brings up an interesting (to me) hypothetical: Would it be possible for the Spurs to waive Green and then re-sign him using their MLE? Yes, I know that's a terrible idea for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he'd be claimed by the first team with cap space or a TE (and teams might even try to dump players to create a TE for him).

    But provided that is was both possible and not inadvisable, the Spurs could offer Green a $22M/4 contract using their MLE, which would essentially be a $26M/4 deal from his perspective, as he would also pocket his current salary if he made it through waivers.

    His contract breakdown would be as follows:

    2014: actual salary--6.65M cap salary--9.33M
    2015: actual salary--6.88M cap salary--5.54M
    2016: actual salary--7.12M cap salary--5.78M
    2017: actual salary--6.02M cap salary--6.02M

    That'd save a lot of cap space, but as I said, impractical to the max. I bet Morey would try it, though.

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    Kawhi isn't Lebron, no way he would consider signing that sheet. Players like Lebron, Durant, Davis etc... could tear an ACL and still get a max contract, Leonard is not in that league. We'd obviously match regardless but if he failed to improve he might not get another shot at the max when the cap goes up.
    That's your opinion.

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    2013 manu got 2 years 14MM
    No, 2012-2013 Manu earned 14M

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    Indeed. It brings up an interesting (to me) hypothetical: Would it be possible for the Spurs to waive Green and then re-sign him using their MLE? Yes, I know that's a terrible idea for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he'd be claimed by the first team with cap space or a TE (and teams might even try to dump players to create a TE for him).

    But provided that is was both possible and not inadvisable, the Spurs could offer Green a $22M/4 contract using their MLE, which would essentially be a $26M/4 deal from his perspective, as he would also pocket his current salary if he made it through waivers.

    His contract breakdown would be as follows:

    2014: actual salary--6.65M cap salary--9.33M
    2015: actual salary--6.88M cap salary--5.54M
    2016: actual salary--7.12M cap salary--5.78M
    2017: actual salary--6.02M cap salary--6.02M

    That'd save a lot of cap space, but as I said, impractical to the max. I bet Morey would try it, though.

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    yeah i figured (and its been commented on by ST capologists)... his first year salary in an extension is based on what he's making in 14-15 and he is eligible for subsequent raises at that point
    That's not correct. His extension would be based on the first year of that extension (2015-2016). He'd be able to get "25 percent" of the cap for that year. Subsequent years are based on an increase from 2015-2016, not 2014-2015.

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