Tony signs extension.

[spurraider21]

i'm pretty sure both Splitter and Manu earned last year's paychecks and then some

[Brunodf]

what do you mean "too"

who is overpaid?

Splitter, Diaw

[Drachen]

No, 2012-2013 Manu earned 14M

Oh, my bad. Misunderstood.

[Brunodf]

This isn't the Splitter and Manu thread.. What do you mean overpaid?

32 yr old that was maybe a top 5 player on the Spurs last post season doesnt deserve more than 12m/yr...

[Raven]

i guess he earned it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Oh, my bad. Misunderstood.

It's all good

[Johnny RIngo]

No, 2012-2013 Manu earned 14M

2013 Manu sucked but 2014 TP was pretty bad too.

[Chinook]

I'm not convinced by that argument. Only a team with a trade exception or cap space could claim a player, and mid-season there aren't normally too many of those, although it would obviously be a possibility

Also there is the scenario where a team might waive a player who is being overpaid to the point where he wouldn't get claimed. Let's say Green was making $10m and it's his final year, it's unlikely he'd be claimed and would probably clear waivers. Spurs could then re-sign him at the MLE (per your proposal) on a longer term deal. This would be a very powerful way of re-signing players for whom you don't hold Bird rights.

Granted it's an unlikely scenario but I don't see why it couldn't happen.

Well, nowadays, waiving a player mid-season means his contract is not stretched automatically (and can't be stretched by provision, either). So the Spurs would just be paying Green $15 Million for one year, which would be untenable for them. Also, it's hard to see a player who'd be making eight figures who'd also both be willing to setting for such a huge paycut and who'd be worth a long-term commitment. If Green were so overpaid that he'd go from $10 Million to half in one season, would it really make sense to blow the full MLE on him? Finally, it does seem like using your MLE to re-sign a player you had under contract already is an extremely poor use of the best financial resource your team had. For the Spurs, it could make sense, since they're at 15 (16, actually) spots already. But that's rarely the case.

All that said, it is possible to imagine some scenarios in which such an attempt might be advantageous. I'll try to see if I can come up with any real-life examples.

[TheGreatYacht]

32 yr old that was maybe a top 5 player on the Spurs last post season doesnt deserve more than 12m/yr...

He only led the Finals in PPG, shut down Lillard, and showed up against the Mavs while everyone on the bench was watching the World Cup...

[timtonymanu]

Don't mind the extension and Parker deserves it, but it's kinda frightening giving 45 million to a player that looks to be on the decline. Hopefully, his subpar play last year was just a result of fatigue.

[spurraider21]

Splitter, Diaw

hard for me to complain about splitter. bigs tend to get paid, and he wasn't some stiff out there. he was instrumental in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and is arguably the best defensive player on the team. was also key in game 1 of the finals to end the 3rd/start the 4th in what was a tight game.

diaw is getting paid fairly for now (7 mil average to be the a key matchup against OKC and other teams that will try to go small) and isn't guaranteed much after year 2. how is that a bad deal?

[TheGreatYacht]

2013 Manu sucked but 2014 TP was pretty bad too.

Yeah I'm not denying that, my point is both were bad and Parker doesn't deserve to take a 3rd pay cut to play in SA (where we can't even get Kirilenko, Oden, Granger, Butler, Gasol, Blatche, etc)

[Malik Hairston]

He was really awful last year, hopefully it was mostly due to fatigue from Summer basketball, rather than the beginning of an ugly decline, tbh..

I don't mind the money, he's the 5th best Spurs player of all-time and deserves a lifetime achievement payment, but hopefully last year was an aberration..

[spurraider21]

He only led the Finals in PPG, shut down Lillard, and showed up against the Mavs while everyone on the bench was watching the World Cup...

the two best players in the dallas series were Splitter and Manu. I thought parker was wholly impressive against Portland

[kobyz]

Need to start now working on that defense to justify the contract...

[Brunodf]

hard for me to complain about splitter. bigs tend to get paid, and he wasn't some stiff out there. he was instrumental in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and is arguably the best defensive player on the team. was also key in game 1 of the finals to end the 3rd/start the 4th in what was a tight game.

diaw is getting paid fairly for now (7 mil average to be the a key matchup against OKC and other teams that will try to go small) and isn't guaranteed much after year 2. how is that a bad deal?

For this season perfomance i agree that Splitter deserved his money, but at the time the spurs re-signed him, he wasn't worth of that contract...

I hope Tony does the same thing next season but i am really concerned now that Kawhi will demand the full max...

[TheGreatYacht]

the two best players in the dallas series were Splitter and Manu. I thought parker was wholly impressive against Portland

You know that was a horrible series when Splitter was pivotal Green getting torched by Carter, Kawhi looked tremendously slow against Ellis, Duncan was going toe to toe with Blair, Parker and Calderon were playing "who can take the most rest on defense", our bench had to resolve to Bonner and Joseph going out there

[Spurs Brazil]

Great news!

[Macca76]

Splitter, Diaw

Besides Ayres, no spurs is overpaid. I think this is the best team value of the entire league. If you wanna see overpaid, look at this

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50	Joel Anthony	C	31	6-9	245	UNLV	$3,800,000
52	Chris Babb	SG	24	6-5	225	Iowa State	$816,482
30	Brandon Bass	PF	29	6-8	250	LSU	$6,900,000
4	Keith Bogans	SG	34	6-5	215	Kentucky	$5,285,817
0	Avery Bradley	PG	23	6-2	180	Texas	$7,191,011
38	Vitor Faverani	C	26	6-11	260		$2,090,000
8	Jeff Green	SF	27	6-9	235	Georgetown	$9,200,000
12	Chris Johnson	SF	24	6-6	201	Dayton	$915,243
41	Kelly Olynyk	C	23	7-0	238	Gonzaga	$2,075,760
26	Phil Pressey	PG	23	5-11	175	Missouri	$816,482
9	Rajon Rondo	PG	28	6-1	186	Kentucky	$12,909,090
--	Marcus Smart	PG	20	6-4	220	Oklahoma State	$3,283,320
7	Jared Sullinger	C	22	6-9	260	Ohio State	$1,424,520
10	Marcus Thornton	SG	27	6-4	205	LSU	$8,575,000
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45	Gerald Wallace	SF	32	6-7	220	Alabama	$10,105,855
1	James Young	SG	18	6-6	215	Kentucky	$1,674,480
42	Tyler Zeller	C	24	7-0	253	North Carolina	$1,703,760

[spurraider21]

For this season perfomance i agree that Splitter deserved his money, but at the time the spurs re-signed him, he wasn't worth of that contract...

i guess he was, tbh. and his salary declines annually

I hope Tony does the same thing next season but i am really concerned now that Kawhi will demand the full max...

I doubt tony gets back to full 2013 MVParker level, but i think he will be somewhere in between 12/13 and 13/14 seasons. if thats the case, he's well worth it.

as for kawhi, it is a leap of faith, but Pop clearly loves him and always gushes about how much better he can/will be. besides there's a good chance that most of leonard's deal will be in the post-duncan/manu era... so i have my doubts that we'll be top tier contenders anyway, tbh

[spurraider21]

You know that was a horrible series when Splitter was pivotal Green getting torched by Carter, Kawhi looked tremendously slow against Ellis, Duncan was going toe to toe with Blair, Parker and Calderon were playing "who can take the most rest on defense", our bench had to resolve to Bonner and Joseph going out there

yeah, it was ugly. good thing splitter/manu bailed us out

[Chinook]

Waiting for Kawhi to chime in. "It's good."

[hater]

best PG in the league finally getting the recognition

[Richie]

Well, nowadays, waiving a player mid-season means his contract is not stretched automatically (and can't be stretched by provision, either). So the Spurs would just be paying Green $15 Million for one year, which would be untenable for them. Also, it's hard to see a player who'd be making eight figures who'd also both be willing to setting for such a huge paycut and who'd be worth a long-term commitment. If Green were so overpaid that he'd go from $10 Million to half in one season, would it really make sense to blow the full MLE on him? Finally, it does seem like using your MLE to re-sign a player you had under contract already is an extremely poor use of the best financial resource your team had. For the Spurs, it could make sense, since they're at 15 (16, actually) spots already. But that's rarely the case.

All that said, it is possible to imagine some scenarios in which such an attempt might be advantageous. I'll try to see if I can come up with any real-life examples.

As it pertains to the MLE, I'm putting this scenario forward in a situation where a team still has it's MLE in mid-season and does not plan on using it for any other reason. It would almost make it like a free exception, and a team wouldn't have to risk using the following years exception which would likely be more valuable.

Having looked at the non-Bird exception, I think my scenario falls apart somewhat. A non-bird exception for your own free agent is as good as the MLE if the player is already making an MLE or higher salary, so the situation I described wouldn't be logical.

In my gut I feel like there's a situation where it could work to a teams benefit, but I can't think of one.

[TheGreatYacht]

best PG in the league finally getting the recognition