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Who said they were innocent?
you have no clue what you're talking about
Who said they were innocent?
be back in a bit
you mean like the entirety of mankind during the great flood?
You mean sinners who refused to follow Gods laws? And as a believer, God is the ultimate judge, so in my eyes God had reason to do what he did. Therefore God is not evil.
i thought you said you aren't christian?
I never used the word "fake", you did.
Straw man alert.
Still taking literal interpretations and extrapolating from there I see.well, if he asked a man to kill his child (even though he stopped Abraham before he actually went through with it, still ed up imo to put him through that emotional dilemma which scarred him for life
its implied. the book tells a specific story. you dont take it literally, meaning you dont take it as fact. if you dont take it as fact, then you take it as fiction. fiction = fake
so if God didn't literally tell abraham to kill his son... that would make the abraham story fake
Straw man logic.
I take it as allegory.
"Fiction" and "fake" imply a of a lot more.
so did the event of God telling Abraham to kill his son happen, or is that event fiction? at least in your perspective/belief system. it either happened, or it did't happen. there's no gray area
al·le·go·ry
noun \ˈa-lə-ˌgȯr-ē\
: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life
It was allegorical, a story that was told to symbolize a deeper meaning or event, of an idea about human life back in those days.
You trying to make it fact or fiction is besides the issue of what it was meant to do.
Allegory for what?
xmas1997,i just have a very simple question. not sure why you are spinning in circles over this. in a simple yes or no format, please answer the question.
According to you, and your belief system, did God actually come to Abraham and order that he kill his son? This is a biblical tale. Do you believe these events ACTUALLY occured, and thus are factual? Simple yes or no please.
I believe they occurred "symbolically". Exactly how, when, what, and where is not what is important to the story. It is what the story "symbolized" that is important.
And since I wasn't there at the time, nor were you, nor any of us, what you are asking cannot be answered the way you want it answered, plus you are focusing on the wrong issues.
It is a symbolic story that is open for interpretation.
Thus there will be as many "interpretations" of that story as each person is capable of understanding.
If all you are capable of "getting" from the symbolism is a rudimentary childlike understanding, then that is all you will take away from it.
Others who are steeped in the lore and deeper knowledge will come away with a deeper more cohesive understanding.
This is allegory of a spiritual nature, not black and white science.
Allegory includes the "gray" areas , not simply the black and white, thus one of the reasons it is allegory.
As a believer one accepts that God is the ultimate judge and ultimately decides who is good and evil and who gets to live. So as a believer one does not see God as evil.
blablabla. i'm not asking about symbolism. do you believe that in actuality, that God came to Abraham and told him to kill his son Isaac. yes or no. anything more than a 1 word answer just means you are dodging the question.
Do you believe that God (in reality/actuality, not symbolically or allegorically) came to Abraham and instruct him to kill his son? yes or no.
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I have never read a poster get bent in so many diff. Directions as the winter holiday guy.
Rob, you and I may not agree on, or even believe, everything the other says or believes, but we can at least discuss our differences without having to resort to making wild accusations, calling each other names, and are able to give due and proper respect for those differences in a civilized educated calm and sometimes witty and/or sarcastic manner.
It is what makes the world go around and leads in the end to deeper understandings, revelations of insight, and maybe even a consensus of opinion, even if that opinion is solely to be able to agree to be able to disagree.
That is called being a civil respectful mature adult about things IMHO.
And a few of us on here are able to do that, thank God.
The rest just want an excuse to troll because that is the extent of their abilities.
They haven't grown up yet and that is obvious.
I respect your beliefs.
I am also thankful you do your best to remain open minded, and that you probably triple check everything someone else asks you to believe, in the quiet recesses of your mind, so that God can reveal the truth to you there.
Like you always say, seek and you shall find.
i never called you a name. i asked you a yes or no question, and you have failed to provide a yes or no answer
Answered that question already.
Would you prefer I use different words next time to help you with understanding my original answer?
This isn't that difficult, you know.
You think I am the one getting "bent"?
I have no idea where you get that from. I am merely answering questions posed to me in the best way possible.
I am in no way "upset" about anything.
I have already stated that this is a great thread and lots of fun to discuss, otherwise there would be no reason to stay in it.
I hope to "share" knowledge, and not get sidetracked by mundane trivial issues so that we can all maybe learn from each other.
So you might want to level your criticism to those who merit it, don't you think?
You made a pretzel out of a poster.
And it was not complicated.
Straw man again.
I never said you called me a name.
Plus I answered your question.
Don't you realize yet that "symbolism" and "allegory" cannot be answered in the black and white, because it is primarily made up of the gray?
There are no yes and no answers when it comes to allegory.
You might "wish" there were, but you would be wasting your time.
Wish in one hand, and in the other, and tell me which will fill up faster.
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