The media is ridiculously one sided on the Israel-Palestine conflict

[Shastafarian]

This is getting too tedious

False. Stop lying.

Not lying

You openly said that you think my lack of condemnation can be equated with condoning Hamas.

False. Stop Lying. I never equated this and if you took any of my comments to mean this that was your mistake in assuming such.

There is no "pointing out what I have and haven't said", because you already attached your own value to it. So again, you backtrack on your words. Don't make assumptions and you'll avoid this issue, ok?

Again, pot meet kettle.

Yes? Do you really want me to hold the Israeli government to the same standards of ideals of a terrorist organization? It's obvious that Hamas is an abominable sect that wants to cause chaos.

Ok I didn't realize as long as we call something a terrorist organization we don't have to talk about it anymore. Thanks for clarifying.

I think after about the 5th round you fired at me

Show me these rounds please,

under the full assumption that I was not objective

You don't seem to be which is how this whole discussion started,

I decided to start pointing out your hypocrisy.

haha I thought sinking to levels wasn't good (as you said earlier in this thread)

I made absolutely NO comments as to the character behind your arguments until you had fired quite a few in my direction.

After you corrected me I said it was my mistake

So yes, I grew tired of you attempting to assail the person behind the comments rather than argue the situation based on merit alone.

Again, please show me these numerous times.

An Israeli white phosphorous round explodes over a Gaza residential area. 11 January 2009
Signaling. Sure.

Quality rebuttal

Absolutely. As soon as you stop going after my own person in these discussions rather than the point at bear. It is tiresome and bothersome to deal with your tactics.

What tactics? You seem to have taken offense to something I said but in reality I've been fairly even handed and willing to discuss actual topics

Go back and read over the pages and look at how many individual incursions you've made against me, rather than what I'm saying.

I did. Did you? I found one instance where I stepped over a line and accused you of being blinded by hate.

Because you (unintentionally perhaps) cram your words with meaning and not so vague reproaches. And then when I comment on it, you state that you are "just making observations". Except much of the time it's contradicting what you said prior to that. See above.

Just not true. And if you assign meaning to words of other people that seems to be your own doing, not mine.

I didn't ask him a hard and fast number. He was pretty calm about the entire thing. Just ascribed it to being in the region. He wasn't happy about it obviously, but he's a pretty laid back dude anyway.

I'm happy he isn't worried.

Why not? You sweep the slaughter of thousands of innocents under the guise of "what has to be done". 2 people have died. Two. So yes, I don't doubt they're afraid, but I seriously doubt they have the same level of fear as the people in Gaza do when they hear air raid sirens.

Again you're doing what you accuse me of doing. I never "swept the slaughter of thousands of innocents under the guise of 'what has to be done". Ever. You're assigning your own meaning to my relatively vague comments lamenting that I don't know what the solution is to this situation.

I'm pointing out that there are very real people posting about how this might be their last night on Earth from Gaza. They aren't getting dressed, going to school, or work. They're just trying to hang on to life in many places.

No you used Twitter to show that Israelis aren't afraid. If I misinterpreted that, that's my fault but your words weren't very clear.

Right before you go back to saying, "Well, it has to be done and therefore it's justified." Not sure how you feel that's condemning of anything.

Again, never said that.

And we're back to ad-hominems. I thought you said you were going to stop that?

Not sure I agree since my statement is accurate. You compared being killed by rockets to being hit by lightning, further marginalizing those people who were killed by rockets.

Because they know they can get away with it. Because it's easier. Because Netanyahu isn't exactly a lover of the people of Gaza. Because might makes right in a large portion of the world still, and Israel knows it will continue to have US support almost completely independent of what they do short of nuking the entire strip.

Unfortunately I agree it is easier and that's why they're doing it, along with the thought it will minimize Israeli solider casualties.

You started with the ad-hominems, but you accuse me of being emotional.

I started it! haha

Alright. I admitted that I was upset about the *situation*. I'm objective enough to say that and recognize when I'm slightly compromised. That doesn't mean my arguments have to be laced with acid, however.

All I said, after my initial mistake in labeling you hateful, was that you should calm down. I didn't mention anything about your emotions affecting this discussion.

As much as I "enjoy" this discussion I think it's time to get back on topic.

[Shastafarian]

Do you know what a question mark denotes? You accuse me of assumptions but it's really all you do.

[Shastafarian]

Instead of this back and forth do you care to comment on the tunnels built into Israel? What is their main purpose?

[Infinite_limit]

Instead of this back and forth do you care to comment on the tunnels built into Israel? What is their main purpose?

Escape plans for when Israel kicks up their chemical weaponry use

[DarrinS]

A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.

Lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL...

Every time something flies over his head, he thinks he won!

Well you should be proud TSA, you have captured the interest of WC. Perhaps next your shtick can reel in a Nazi. Such success.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Look up


whooooosh

Just because I do not engage you on the level that you want does not mean that I do not see what your weak attempt at satire is, dip .

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.

The tunnels into Israel are for food and other goods? Who in Israel do you think they are trading with?

Hamas is at war with Israel and controls Gaza. There bylaws so to speak call for the destruction of Israel with the goal of installing themselves as the nation state for the region. They accept arms and funding from Iran and Sunni factions which they then use to build munitions factories which generate arms that they are using to attack Israel.

Now if the reprisals stopped do you really think Hamas would stop? Honestly do you think that?

[Cry Havoc]

The tunnels into Israel are for food and other goods? Who in Israel do you think they are trading with?

Hamas is at war with Israel and controls Gaza. There bylaws so to speak call for the destruction of Israel with the goal of installing themselves as the nation state for the region. They accept arms and funding from Iran and Sunni factions which they then use to build munitions factories which generate arms that they are using to attack Israel.

Now if the reprisals stopped do you really think Hamas would stop? Honestly do you think that?

That's true, specifically the tunnels there are likely offensive. I also have absolutely no problem with Israel caving them in with explosive or by any means they feel necessary. However, not ALL tunnels built near Gaza were for the purpose of war. A lot of them were made for goods like food, that's the point I was making.

[Shastafarian]

Why else build a vast network of tunnels if not to use them to invade Israel?

A cursory glance at any reputable website will reveal that they were used for food and other goods (as well as weapons). They were initially designed as smuggling tunnels, not tunnels designed for an invasion. Use some due diligence and research the situation instead of making unfounded accusations.

That's true, specifically the tunnels there are likely offensive. I also have absolutely no problem with Israel caving them in with explosive or by any means they feel necessary. However, not ALL tunnels built near Gaza were for the purpose of war. A lot of them were made for goods like food, that's the point I was making.

lol

[mingus]

Instead of this back and forth do you care to comment on the tunnels built into Israel? What is their main purpose?

A vast estimated $100 million dollar network to transport food. LOL.

He believes this and he believes that it is acceptable to let Hamas get away with equipping and stock piling themselves with missiles, rocket launches, etc. so long as they hide them in hospitals, schools, etc. The potentiality of that is worse than the civilian deaths happening. That's what he fails to understand.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's true, specifically the tunnels there are likely offensive. I also have absolutely no problem with Israel caving them in with explosive or by any means they feel necessary. However, not ALL tunnels built near Gaza were for the purpose of war. A lot of them were made for goods like food, that's the point I was making.

That is fine but Hamas is using guerilla tactics and backing off in the name of 'humanity' sounds just like the political rhetoric that we got regarding the Vietcong. I am sure that the routes used by the enemy through Laos brought food and medicine in as well but an approach measured in the media, the halls of congress and in the Oval office lost us that war.

I fully understand Israel's approach even if it displaces the civilian population of all of western Israel. Hamas is their enemy and hides amongst the populace. This is what you get.

If you back off then you still have a political player who will do nothing if not obstruct any peace process that does not include the destruction of the Israeli state all the while continuing to try and use guerrilla tactics against the state of Israel and its citizens.

If they are able to kill off the leaders and destroy Hamas' military capability then it is possible that the PLO, who are actually indigenous, to take control and then maybe we can get a 2 state solution. That status quo was untenable.

[DD]

I hate Israel but blow those dunecoons to . The world is an infinitely better place without Islam and its followers. They all need to go

[pgardn]

60 years later. Hitler is vindicated

Sure thing.

Nazis hate Jews.
Hamas hates Jews.

Vindication confirmation.

[DD]

And lol at the tunnels argument. it's pretty goddamn obvious what they're for...can't believe i agree with Fuzzy on something but his analogy and point were spot-on.

[DD]

Sure thing.

Nazis hate Jews.
Hamas hates Jews.

Vindication confirmation.

Nobody with a brain likes Jews...we tolerate them. And though they're inherently deviant and subversive, they are better than Muslims since dunies refuse to join the 21st century

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nobody with a brain likes Jews...we tolerate them. And though they're inherently deviant and subversive, they are better than Muslims since dunies refuse to join the 21st century

Not everyone looks at things as you do. I certainly do not. We get that you prefer to dumb things down into skin color and ethnicity to judge an individual but many of us think they are false categories utilized by the intellectually lazy.

[DD]

Not everyone looks at things as you do. I certainly do not. We get that you prefer to dumb things down into skin color and ethnicity to judge an individual but many of us think they are false categories utilized by the intellectually lazy.

Ok, did you get all the righteousness outta your system now...can we resume?

Ok then, back to Muslims being a stain on human existence

[pgardn]

Nobody with a brain likes Jews...we tolerate them. And though they're inherently deviant and subversive, they are better than Muslims since dunies refuse to join the 21st century

Inherently deviant and subversive...

Yeah. All the Jews I know have foot fetishes.
So they buy shoe stores and rub Christian feet.

Yep. They will rule the world some day because of this flaw.
The horror...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok, did you get all the righteousness outta your system now...can we resume?

Ok then, back to Muslims being a stain on human existence

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial ? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.

[Infinite_limit]

Ok, did you get all the righteousness outta your system now...can we resume?Ok then, back to Muslims being a stain on human existence

Gutenmorgen. My perspective is Europeans are not taking a side because Mossad & Palestians because this is a taste of Europa setting up it's Gates of Vienna. Kurwa again

[DarrinS]

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial ? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.

Islam isn't a race, tbh.

[Infinite_limit]

Islam isn't a race, tbh.

True

[Cry Havoc]

lol

haha I thought sinking to levels wasn't good (as you said earlier in this thread)

You know, it's funny. You were so quick to chastise me for "comparing" civilian deaths in war to lightning fatalities, and then just a couple of pages later you made the exact same type of comparison, except you compared those deaths to an Internet slapfight.

[Cry Havoc]

you think you are better than millions of people on the basis of something as oversimplified as skin color. you really think this line of thought is convincing?

can you really get more vain than this racial ? it goes right to the core of what you identify yourself as just as much as it goes to what you identify others as.

self righteous indeed.

Why even respond to him? It does nothing to further the discussion with someone's insipid schtick.