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Manu probably never even had to come over to the NBA and he probably would've made it base on his international resume alone. Anything he's done or messed up at in the NBA is just extra.
Speaking of Manu, I thought he was sitting the summer out... lol
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6842847
Manu probably never even had to come over to the NBA and he probably would've made it base on his international resume alone. Anything he's done or messed up at in the NBA is just extra.
Stupid thread. Of course he's making it.
I agree, it goes without saying, and for all the positive reasons already listed in previous posts.
of course he is. that will without a doubt be a 1st ballot
fyi, this dunk was factual, not allegorical
Easily, he is a lock.
He has been a lock for the HOF since he led Argentina to the defeat of the USA professionals in the Olympics.
Does anyone else wonder if that dunk on Bosh was when the fibula finally broke? He had been in trouble with the team for trying to dunk before (remember he kept hurting his hamstring by doing it?) and referenced it after the game to a reporter who asked him about it. He said "I don't even know how that (the dunk) happened...I found myself in the middle of it and then I just finished it. But the guys had really been very serious about me not doing that any more"...
I mean, I know that stress fractures take place over time, but it does make me wonder.
Tony Chew set the bar. Manu surpassed it like two les ago.
Yep. He's been as good as in for 10 years.
And since then he's added 3 more NBA les, a 6th man award, a Bronze medal, and been part of the winning-most trio in the sport's history.
Jeff Van Gundy recently stated that he thinks Manu Ginobili doesn't deserve to be in the HOF as is the case with many other "HOF locks" and that the hall of fame has turned into the "hall of the very good" with the influx of players who are comparable to Manu Ginobili in skill and legacy.
The only Spurs hall of famer by JVG's standards would be Duncan. Parker doesn't make the cut either for JVG. This was stated on a Zach Lowe podcast during the 2014 playoffs. I don't remember which one, but Jeff makes an excellent point
Career P.E.R of 21.5 that's top 25 all time.
Jeff also stated that Manu would never make it into the HOF based on his NBA record only.
Spurraider still confused about allegory.
You meant to say it was factual, and not fictional.
By your reasoning, it is the same as saying that because your right side is right, then the other side must be wrong, instead of left.
Yeah fact and allegory do not cons ute a true dichotomy. They aren't mutually exclusive. Manu's dunk can be both factual and allegorical. I don't know the background between xmas and spurraider's skirmish but yeah...
Granted I can see where the confusion comes from. The Bible, for example, is both fiction (with respect to the miracle claims) and allegory.
Edit: Well, same goes for virtually any religious book that makes miracle claims. I don't want to seem like I'm picking on the bible...
I agree with you, but try getting that point across to spurraider though and it is like talking to a bag of rocks for all the good it does.
If you're ever at a point where you will, then you will "still" the following seasons. Unlike this forum, they don't use his last game as the deciding factor.
If you were asked "did Manu's dunk really occur" you'd say yes. If I asked "if you were a remote viewer, could you have seen Manu's dunk" and you'd say yes, because you were a remote viewer and you did see it. Xmas said about the Abraham story "you'd only see the writer writing the story". If you only saw a writer writing a story about a dunk that you could not find evidence for otherwise, and you were told it was allegorical in nature, you'd not assume the dunk happened in reality, i.e. Space Jam didn't really happen...
allegory
You meant to say it was factual, and not fictional.
By your reasoning, it is the same as saying that because your right side is right, then the other side must be wrong, instead of left.
noun indirect representation, storytelling
apologue
Relevance
Common Informal
Synonyms for allegory
noun indirect representation, storytelling
apologue
emblem
fable
figuration
moral
myth
parable
story
symbol
symbolism
symbolization
tale
typification
Antonyms for allegory
non-fiction
truth
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an·to·nym [an-tuh-nim]
noun
a word opposite in meaning to another. Fast is an antonym of slow. Compare synonym ( def 1 ) .
Last edited by DMC; 08-03-2014 at 02:03 AM.
If you look at Drazen Petrovic as a template for a hybrid FIBA/NBA career induction, Manu has been a mortal lock since about 2007.
Petrovic was a pity induction, nothing more, and they were able to pass it off by saying he was a pioneer. But yeah, if Petrovic and Marceulonis are the benchmarks, Manu's been in for a long time.
Apparently you are as confused about ALLEGORY as spurraider is, so in the interest of clarity in biblical writing, which by the way has nothing to do with the topic, but spurraider brought up his ridiculous and superfluous point first, and you, DMC, seem to want to belabor it here instead of keeping it where it belongs downstairs in The Club, here is the truth, rather than your straw man and deliberate misleading of the truth.
Also since you want to nitpick about citing on a message board as if this were literature and a paper to be published, I have included for you the "links" so you have no excuses to falsely accuse me of plagiarism again.
Geez, plagiarism on a "message board". What a buffoon!
Here they are, definitions of biblical usage of allegory, and not sports trivia:
1. From Merriam-Webster dictionary:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory
al·le·go·ry
noun \ˈa-lə-ˌgȯr-ē\
: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation
plural al·le·go·ries
Full Definition of ALLEGORY
1
: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence; also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression
2
: a symbolic representation : emblem 2
2. And from the Encyclopaedia Britannica:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...16078/allegory
allegory, a symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a meaning not explicitly set forth in the narrative. Allegory, which encompasses such forms as fable, parable, and apologue, may have meaning on two or more levels that the reader can understand only through an interpretive process.
3. And from an expert on grammar and composition:
http://grammar.about.com/od/terms/g/allegory.htm
ALLERGORY
By Richard Nordquist
Grammar & Composition Expert
Definition:
The rhetorical strategy of extending a metaphor through an entire narrative so that objects, persons, and actions in the text are equated with meanings that lie outside the text. Adjective: allegorical.
4. And lastly this from dictionary.com:
http://http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegory
allegory
Use Allegory in a sentence
al·le·go·ry
[al-uh-gawr-ee, -gohr-ee] Show IPA
noun, plural al·le·go·ries.
1.
a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms; figurative treatment of one subject under the guise of another.
2.
a symbolical narrative: the allegory of Piers Plowman.
3.
emblem ( def 3 ) .
Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English allegorie < Latin allēgoria < Greek allēgoría, derivative of allēgoreîn to speak so as to imply something other. See allo-, agora; Greek agoreúein to speak, proclaim, orig. meant to act (e.g., speak) in the assembly
Thus I believe we can now get past your "misrepresentations of the truth", including your false accusations as well as taking things out of context, and most of all your basic "straw man tactics", so that we can put your misconceptions, misunderstandings, and complete ignorance of allegorical biblical literary styles to rest once and for all, and get back to the topic of this thread, i.e. ...........
Manu is a sure fire HOFer!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by xmas1997; 08-03-2014 at 12:07 PM.
It's amazing how cir stances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a le or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..
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