Spurs Salaries, 2013-2014 Edition

[Richie]

As has been mentioned before, there's absolutely no benefit to extending Kawhi over making him a restricted freeaagent. He's getting paid regardless and he'll likely want that 5th year that only we can give him.

[elemento]

Sham just updated the Spurs salaries with Boris

http://data.shamsports.com/content/p...ries/spurs.jsp

7.5m / 7m / 6.5m / 7m

4y/28m, only 17.5m guaranteed. 3rd year only 3m guaranteed and last year fully unguaranteed.

Interesting the way they structured it.

[Andthentherewas21]

I thought you could only do increasing/constant/ or decreasing salary for the duration of the contract, but couldn't mix them (e.g. decrease for 3 years and then give a raise in the final year). Anyone know for sure?

[ernest787]

n00b questions, but why do guys like Van Exel, etc. still have cap holds listed?

[Mel_13]

n00b questions, but why do guys like Van Exel, etc. still have cap holds listed?

The Spurs haven't used cap space since they left and have, therefore, never had occasion to renounce their rights. At some point in the future the Spurs will need to use cap space and will go through the formality of renouncing their rights to those players.

[ernest787]

The Spurs haven't used cap space since they left and have, therefore, never had occasion to renounce their rights. At some point in the future the Spurs will need to use cap space and will go through the formality of renouncing their rights to those players.

gotcha. makes perfect sense. thank you for clarifying.

[bluebellmaniac]

This could be useful as a reference. Assumes that Baynes signs for the QO. Is it confirmed that Bonner signed for the Vet Min? Was it 2 years?

	Player	2014/2015	2015/2016
1	Tony Parker	$12,500,000	$18,000,000	*Cap Hold
2	Tim Duncan	$10,361,446	$15,542,169	*Cap Hold
3	Tiago Splitter	$9,250,000	$8,500,000
4	Boris Diaw	$7,500,000	$7,000,000
5	Manu Ginobili	$7,000,000	$10,500,000	*Cap Hold
6	Danny Green	$4,025,000	$7,647,500	*Cap Hold
7	Patty Mills	$3,842,105	$3,578,947
8	Kawhi Leonard	$2,894,059	$4,045,894
9	Marco Belinelli	$2,873,750	$3,735,875	*Cap Hold
10	Cory Joseph	$2,023,261	$3,034,891
11	Jeff Ayers	$1,828,750	$2,377,375	*Cap Hold
12	Aron Baynes	$1,115,243	$1,147,276	*Cap Hold
13	Kyle Anderson	$1,096,680	$1,142,879
14	Austin Daye	$1,063,384	$947,276	*Cap Hold
15	Matt Bonner	$915,283	$947,276	*Cap Hold
			W/ Cap Holds	WO / Cap Holds
	TOTALS	$68,218,737	$88,045,141	$28,147,670

[ABC]

Thanks bluebellmaniac. It was reported that Bonner signed for 1 year at the vet min, but with both Diaw's and Mill's contracts being significantly different from the original reports, we can't be sure what Bonner's contract is yet.

[spurraider21]

with Jodie Meeks getting 3/19, Manu's contract suddenly looks like a bargain

[spurraider21]

The Spurs haven't used cap space since they left and have, therefore, never had occasion to renounce their rights. At some point in the future the Spurs will need to use cap space and will go through the formality of renouncing their rights to those players.

that's pretty incredible to think about

[ernest787]

it's going to be interesting to see what happens with Tony. If Tim and Manu came back you can assume it would be at the same number or potentially, and maybe more likely, at a lower number. Tony would be in for his last "big" contract. Wonder if the 12.5 would be the expected number for him.

[Richie]

it's going to be interesting to see what happens with Tony. If Tim and Manu came back you can assume it would be at the same number or potentially, and maybe more likely, at a lower number. Tony would be in for his last "big" contract. Wonder if the 12.5 would be the expected number for him.

Timmys next contract will be very interesting. He'll be 39, and how much is he going to want? If it means us signing a star in free agency to help him win, is $5m enough. Has a player ever signed an above MLE level deal at 39? As great as we all know Timmy is, how many games and minutes can he play at that age?

Pay him whatever he wants, you don't lowball a guy who has carried the franchise for two decades, but let him know the trade off between his contract and free agent signings.

Same is true for Manu IMO, would he take the Room Exception if he came back?

[FvckMavs]

Timmys next contract will be very interesting. He'll be 39, and how much is he going to want? If it means us signing a star in free agency to help him win, is $5m enough. Has a player ever signed an above MLE level deal at 39? As great as we all know Timmy is, how many games and minutes can he play at that age?

Pay him whatever he wants, you don't lowball a guy who has carried the franchise for two decades, but let him know the trade off between his contract and free agent signings.

Same is true for Manu IMO, would he take the Room Exception if he came back?

Give Tim an empty check and let him fill out the number as long as he returns for one more year.

[ernest787]

If Tim decided to come back after next year I have a gut feeling it would be around 7-7.5 a year. Obviously, it's very early to even look at that, but if he continues to play at or near the level he's been at that would be a fair contract. I'd also doubt it'd be more than a year long deal.

Same logic for Manu. If he came back I could see him shaving a couple million off his current deal, so I'd think he'd be in the $5 million range.

Tony is the wild card to me. He's still in his prime, and he's only looking at one more large contract. I wonder if he would be looking at a 4 for $60 type deal.

[Richie]

So with the signings this summer, we have $33.5m committed to salaries next season (Parker, Splitter, Boris, Mills, Anderson) and $7m for Kawhis cap hold assuming he doesn't get extended.

That gives us $28m in space (assuming $68m cap) for Green, Timmy, Manu and free agents.

Obviously all scenarios depend on how much Timmy wants if he stays another year, but in a best case scenario we could get Green back for $5m and Manu would take the room exception if he came back. Including $2m in roster cap holds, that'd give us $20.5m to spend on Timmy and free agents.

If Timmy retired we're in great shape to add a max player, if he stays then it likely puts us out of the race. Let's say Timmy takes $8m, who could we land for under $12m? I suspect we'd roll over our cap space rather than commit to a long term contract in that range.

[bluebellmaniac]

Here are some corrections plus an update with TP's new contract:

	Player	2014/2015	2015/2016
1	Tony Parker	$12,500,000	$13,400,000
2	Tim Duncan	$10,361,446	$15,542,169	*Cap Hold
3	Tiago Splitter	$9,250,000	$8,500,000
4	Boris Diaw	$7,500,000	$7,000,000
5	Manu Ginobili	$7,000,000	$10,500,000	*Cap Hold
6	Danny Green	$4,025,000	$7,647,500	*Cap Hold
7	Patty Mills	$3,842,105	$3,578,947
8	Kawhi Leonard	$2,894,059	$7,235,148	*Cap Hold
9	Marco Belinelli	$2,873,750	$3,735,875	*Cap Hold
10	Cory Joseph	$2,023,261	$5,058,153	*Cap Hold
11	Jeff Ayers	$1,828,750	$2,377,375	*Cap Hold
12	Aron Baynes	$1,115,243	$1,147,276	*Cap Hold
13	Kyle Anderson	$1,096,680	$1,142,879
14	Austin Daye	$1,063,384	$947,276	*Cap Hold
15	Matt Bonner	$915,283	$947,276	*Cap Hold
			W/ Cap Holds	WO/Cap Holds + 6 Roster Charges
	TOTALS	$68,218,737	$88,759,874	$38,692,180

For '15-'16, I think:
TD comes back at $10M.
Manu retires.
Green is due for a $6M - $7M deal.
Kawhi: $14M
CoJo re-signs for $2M or very possibly leaves for a bigger payday elsewhere.
Beli re-signs for $3M.
Ayers is toast.
Baynes re-ups for close to or at the minimum.
Bonner retires (finally).

We bring over LJC and Bertans, bringing our roster to 14 slots. We need to draft a PG if CoJo leaves, otherwise we need a big.
Of course LJC and Bertans are signed before Kawhi signs his deal to take advantage of his small cap hit.

So I think with those signings we look like this for '15-'16

Tony Parker	$13,400,000
Tim Duncan	$10,000,000
Tiago Splitter	$8,500,000
Boris Diaw	$7,000,000
Bertans	?
Danny Green	$6,500,000
Patty Mills	$3,578,947
Kawhi Leonard	$14,000,000
Marco Belinelli	$3,000,000
Cory Joseph	$2,000,000
LJC	?
Aron Baynes	$1,147,276
Kyle Anderson	$1,142,879
Austin Daye	$947,276
Draft Pick or MLE	?
Total	$71,216,378

[Richie]

Kawhi's cap hold is 250% of his previous salary, $7.2m, not his qualifying offer amount.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Here are some corrections plus an update with TP's new contract:

I suspect Kawhi isn't getting anything less than $15 million .

[bluebellmaniac]

Kawhi's cap hold is 250% of his previous salary, $7.2m, not his qualifying offer amount.

fixed. Thx

[spurraider21]

Here are some corrections plus an update with TP's new contract:

	Player	2014/2015	2015/2016
1	Tony Parker	$12,500,000	$13,400,000
2	Tim Duncan	$10,361,446	$15,542,169	*Cap Hold
3	Tiago Splitter	$9,250,000	$8,500,000
4	Boris Diaw	$7,500,000	$7,000,000
5	Manu Ginobili	$7,000,000	$10,500,000	*Cap Hold
6	Danny Green	$4,025,000	$7,647,500	*Cap Hold
7	Patty Mills	$3,842,105	$3,578,947
8	Kawhi Leonard	$2,894,059	$7,235,148	*Cap Hold
9	Marco Belinelli	$2,873,750	$3,735,875	*Cap Hold
10	Cory Joseph	$2,023,261	$5,058,153	*Cap Hold
11	Jeff Ayers	$1,828,750	$2,377,375	*Cap Hold
12	Aron Baynes	$1,115,243	$1,147,276	*Cap Hold
13	Kyle Anderson	$1,096,680	$1,142,879
14	Austin Daye	$1,063,384	$947,276	*Cap Hold
15	Matt Bonner	$915,283	$947,276	*Cap Hold
			W/ Cap Holds	WO/Cap Holds + 6 Roster Charges
	TOTALS	$68,218,737	$88,759,874	$38,692,180

For '15-'16, I think:
TD comes back at $10M.
Manu retires.
Green is due for a $6M - $7M deal.
Kawhi: $14M
CoJo re-signs for $2M or very possibly leaves for a bigger payday elsewhere.
Beli re-signs for $3M.
Ayers is toast.
Baynes re-ups for close to or at the minimum.
Bonner retires (finally).

We bring over LJC and Bertans, bringing our roster to 14 slots. We need to draft a PG if CoJo leaves, otherwise we need a big.
Of course LJC and Bertans are signed before Kawhi signs his deal to take advantage of his small cap hit.

So I think with those signings we look like this for '15-'16

Tony Parker	$13,400,000
Tim Duncan	$10,000,000
Tiago Splitter	$8,500,000
Boris Diaw	$7,000,000
Bertans	?
Danny Green	$6,500,000
Patty Mills	$3,578,947
Kawhi Leonard	$14,000,000
Marco Belinelli	$3,000,000
Cory Joseph	$2,000,000
LJC	?
Aron Baynes	$1,147,276
Kyle Anderson	$1,142,879
Austin Daye	$947,276
Draft Pick or MLE	?
Total	$71,216,378

the MLE would probably be used to bring Bertans/LJC aboard

[spurraider21]

So with the signings this summer, we have $33.5m committed to salaries next season (Parker, Splitter, Boris, Mills, Anderson) and $7m for Kawhis cap hold assuming he doesn't get extended.

That gives us $28m in space (assuming $68m cap) for Green, Timmy, Manu and free agents.

Obviously all scenarios depend on how much Timmy wants if he stays another year, but in a best case scenario we could get Green back for $5m and Manu would take the room exception if he came back. Including $2m in roster cap holds, that'd give us $20.5m to spend on Timmy and free agents.

If Timmy retired we're in great shape to add a max player, if he stays then it likely puts us out of the race. Let's say Timmy takes $8m, who could we land for under $12m? I suspect we'd roll over our cap space rather than commit to a long term contract in that range.

i dont think we will have access to the room exception, as we're going to be over the cap for all of the 14-15 season

[Richie]

i dont think we will have access to the room exception, as we're going to be over the cap for all of the 14-15 season

In my scenario we'll be under the cap and therefore use cap space to sign a player in the summer of 2015. To do that we have to renounce all our other exceptions (mid-level, bi-annual), and get given the Room Exception instead. This is what the Mavs did this summer, they signed Parsons using cap room and gave Jameer Nelson 2 years with the Room Exception.

[bluebellmaniac]

the MLE would probably be used to bring Bertans/LJC aboard

If the salary cap jumps as much as has been rumored ($68M), then LJC and Bertans could be signed with cap room before Kawhi is signed. Kawhi's cap hold is around $7.2M, which would put the team salary around $64M before Kawhi is signed for his max / near max contract. At least one or both of LJC and Bertans could be signed with cap room.

Signing Green and Marco to an amount less than their cap holds would add additional room for LJC and Bertans.

[cd021]

Kawhi's cap hold is 250% of his previous salary, $7.2m, not his qualifying offer amount.

190% but I noticed that too. PTR made a mistake. The Spurs would have something like $42 million committed to Parker, Leonard (cap hold), Splitter, Anderson & Mills.

[cd021]

Here are some corrections plus an update with TP's new contract:

	Player	2014/2015	2015/2016
1	Tony Parker	$12,500,000	$13,400,000
2	Tim Duncan	$10,361,446	$15,542,169	*Cap Hold
3	Tiago Splitter	$9,250,000	$8,500,000
4	Boris Diaw	$7,500,000	$7,000,000
5	Manu Ginobili	$7,000,000	$10,500,000	*Cap Hold
6	Danny Green	$4,025,000	$7,647,500	*Cap Hold
7	Patty Mills	$3,842,105	$3,578,947
8	Kawhi Leonard	$2,894,059	$7,235,148	*Cap Hold
9	Marco Belinelli	$2,873,750	$3,735,875	*Cap Hold
10	Cory Joseph	$2,023,261	$5,058,153	*Cap Hold
11	Jeff Ayers	$1,828,750	$2,377,375	*Cap Hold
12	Aron Baynes	$1,115,243	$1,147,276	*Cap Hold
13	Kyle Anderson	$1,096,680	$1,142,879
14	Austin Daye	$1,063,384	$947,276	*Cap Hold
15	Matt Bonner	$915,283	$947,276	*Cap Hold
			W/ Cap Holds	WO/Cap Holds + 6 Roster Charges
	TOTALS	$68,218,737	$88,759,874	$38,692,180

For '15-'16, I think:
TD comes back at $10M.
Manu retires.
Green is due for a $6M - $7M deal.
Kawhi: $14M
CoJo re-signs for $2M or very possibly leaves for a bigger payday elsewhere.
Beli re-signs for $3M.
Ayers is toast.
Baynes re-ups for close to or at the minimum.
Bonner retires (finally).

We bring over LJC and Bertans, bringing our roster to 14 slots. We need to draft a PG if CoJo leaves, otherwise we need a big.
Of course LJC and Bertans are signed before Kawhi signs his deal to take advantage of his small cap hit.

So I think with those signings we look like this for '15-'16

Tony Parker	$13,400,000
Tim Duncan	$10,000,000
Tiago Splitter	$8,500,000
Boris Diaw	$7,000,000
Bertans	?
Danny Green	$6,500,000
Patty Mills	$3,578,947
Kawhi Leonard	$14,000,000
Marco Belinelli	$3,000,000
Cory Joseph	$2,000,000
LJC	?
Aron Baynes	$1,147,276
Kyle Anderson	$1,142,879
Austin Daye	$947,276
Draft Pick or MLE	?
Total	$71,216,378

1.Parker-$13,437,500
2. Mills-$3,578,947
3. Anderson-$1,142,879
4. Splitter-$8,500,000
5. Diaw-$7,500,000

6. LJC-$2.5 (guesstimation)
7. Bertans $2.1 (I use the B.A.E for reference)
8-Baynes-$1,300,000
9.Leonard- $16.6
-----------------------------------------
$56.6

or

Here are some corrections plus an update with TP's new contract:

	Player	2014/2015	2015/2016
1	Tony Parker	$12,500,000	$13,400,000
2	Tim Duncan	$10,361,446	$15,542,169	*Cap Hold
3	Tiago Splitter	$9,250,000	$8,500,000
4	Boris Diaw	$7,500,000	$7,000,000
5	Manu Ginobili	$7,000,000	$10,500,000	*Cap Hold
6	Danny Green	$4,025,000	$7,647,500	*Cap Hold
7	Patty Mills	$3,842,105	$3,578,947
8	Kawhi Leonard	$2,894,059	$7,235,148	*Cap Hold
9	Marco Belinelli	$2,873,750	$3,735,875	*Cap Hold
10	Cory Joseph	$2,023,261	$5,058,153	*Cap Hold
11	Jeff Ayers	$1,828,750	$2,377,375	*Cap Hold
12	Aron Baynes	$1,115,243	$1,147,276	*Cap Hold
13	Kyle Anderson	$1,096,680	$1,142,879
14	Austin Daye	$1,063,384	$947,276	*Cap Hold
15	Matt Bonner	$915,283	$947,276	*Cap Hold
			W/ Cap Holds	WO/Cap Holds + 6 Roster Charges
	TOTALS	$68,218,737	$88,759,874	$38,692,180

For '15-'16, I think:
TD comes back at $10M.
Manu retires.
Green is due for a $6M - $7M deal.
Kawhi: $14M
CoJo re-signs for $2M or very possibly leaves for a bigger payday elsewhere.
Beli re-signs for $3M.
Ayers is toast.
Baynes re-ups for close to or at the minimum.
Bonner retires (finally).

We bring over LJC and Bertans, bringing our roster to 14 slots. We need to draft a PG if CoJo leaves, otherwise we need a big.
Of course LJC and Bertans are signed before Kawhi signs his deal to take advantage of his small cap hit.

So I think with those signings we look like this for '15-'16

Tony Parker	$13,400,000
Tim Duncan	$10,000,000
Tiago Splitter	$8,500,000
Boris Diaw	$7,000,000
Bertans	?
Danny Green	$6,500,000
Patty Mills	$3,578,947
Kawhi Leonard	$14,000,000
Marco Belinelli	$3,000,000
Cory Joseph	$2,000,000
LJC	?
Aron Baynes	$1,147,276
Kyle Anderson	$1,142,879
Austin Daye	$947,276
Draft Pick or MLE	?
Total	$71,216,378

1.Parker-$13,437,500
2. Mills-$3,578,947
3. Anderson-$1,142,879
4. Splitter-$8,500,000
5. Diaw-$7,500,000

6. LJC-$957,000
7. Bertans $2.1 (I use the B.A.E for reference)
8-Baynes-$1,300,000
9.Leonard- $16.6
----------------------------------------
$55.0 million

+Ginobili-$5.0
+Green-$5.5
+Belinelli-$4.0
+ MLE (5.3 million)

Parker-Mills
Green-Ginobili-Belinelli-Bertans
Leonard-Anderson
Diaw-Jean-Charles
Splitter-Baynes


renounce all other free agents ( Daye, Ayers, Baynes, Bonner, Duncan, retirement,)

or

Scenario 2

1. Parker-$13,437,500
2. Mills-$3,578,947
3. Anderson-$1,142,879
4. Splitter-$8,500,000
5. Diaw-$7,500,000

6. LJC-$957,000
7. Bertans $2.1 (I use the B.A.E for reference)
8-Baynes-$1,300,000
9.Leonard- $7.2 (cap hold)
----------------------------------------
$45.6 million

+Milsap-$12.5
+Green-$5.5

2015 draft pick-$950,00 (depending on what pick exactly, that would be the salary for the 29tj)
-----------------------------------------
64.6 to 11 players

renounce all other free agents (Belinelli, Daye, Ayers, Baynes, Bonner, Joseph) Duncan and Ginobili announce their retirement (in this scenario)


Parker-Mills-Vet. Min PG
Green-Belinelli-Bertans
Leonard-Anderson
Milsap-Diaw-Jean-Charles
Splitter-Baynes-Vet Min. C or 1st round pick



I think Green will receive a deal around 4 yrs, $22 million (5.5 annually). Belinelli 3 years, $12-14 million.

Joseph is probably gone in any scenario. His QA $3.0 (for a 3rd string pg guard) and his cap hit would be $5 million until we resolve his contract situation.
I only have Baynes returning because he has familiarity with the Spurs.

Its hard to imagine the Spurs using back to back 1st rounders to draft players that can actually make the roster the same season (it happened from 08-'10 with Hill, Blair & James Anderon) but it would fill a roster spot on the cheap.