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    Because places are so isolated from one another in this day and age.
    I expect him to be much more candid not only in his country, but his hometown... America does have a good amount of PC talk that's not really common in other places...

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    I guess that's why when he's in the U.S. He doesn't throw The NT under the bus, but when he is in Argentina, that convenient cultural difference can be utilized.

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    I expect him to be much more candid not only in his country, but his hometown... America does have a good amount of PC talk that's not really common in other places...
    And, we might want to 'splain how the internets work to him...

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    I guess that's why when he's in the U.S. He doesn't throw The NT under the bus, but when he is in Argentina, that convenient cultural difference can be utilized.
    I don't think he threw anybody under the bus. He really feels that way. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

    And, we might want to 'splain how the internets work to him...
    I really don't. Most everybody speak differently based on context.

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    I don't think he threw anybody under the bus. He really feels that way. You don't have to like it or agree with it.



    I really don't. Most everybody speak differently based on context.
    C'mon. Of course you don't feel that way. A lot of us do feel that way. You don't have to like it or agree with it

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    Manu handled the situation poorly, imo, He basically discredited the Spurs organization as a whole.

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    The United States has the best medical care in the wold and its not even close. My brother-in-law suffered a punctured lung while on vacation in Venice, Italy and his treatment was downright nightmarish and medieval.
    Hate to break it to you dude, but ... that's not technically true as a generalisation.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro...her-countries/

    Ok, so apparently we're ranked 10th. But it's still better than Brazil, Italy and Argentina.
    Well, http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/ says you were part right - Italy actually has the 2nd best health care system in the world, while the USA has the 37th (Better than Argentina and Brazil, yes):

    World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems
    1 France
    2 Italy
    30 Canada
    32 Australia
    37 USA
    75 Argentina
    125 Brazil

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    C'mon. Of course you don't feel that way. A lot of us do feel that way. You don't have to like it or agree with it
    I'll like it and agree with it just for you. Just don't go around pulling a robdiaz after the fact, all I ask...

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    You can toss all that out the window. IF you have money you will receive the best healthcare in the world in the USA period.

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    I'll like it and agree with it just for you. Just don't go around pulling a robdiaz after the fact, all I ask...
    Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining outside.

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    I'll like it and agree with it just for you. Just don't go around pulling a robdiaz after the fact, all I ask...
    Heh heh. I don't know what "Pulling a Rob Diaz" is, but it sounds like it could definitely be a thing!

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    Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining outside.
    Manu will find you a doctor that will testify that it is rain.

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    Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining outside.
    sorry, didn't mean to pee on your leg...

    Listen, are you getting on the Patty wagon or you gonna keep going with that Vato loco Joseph schtick? And please, don't steal my stuff... "Corey is heating up" just doesn't have the same ring to it...

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    sorry, didn't mean to pee on your leg...

    Listen, are you getting on the Patty wagon or you gonna keep going with that Vato loco Joseph schtick? And please, don't steal my stuff... "Corey is heating up" just doesn't have the same ring to it...

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    That is my response to your question.

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    That play was all Ayres, tbh...

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    That play was all Ayres, tbh...

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    Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining outside.

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    I'm under the same assumption. I just don't think there was anything malicious about it. The original recovery time the Spurs gave him was 8 weeks. This guy told him to rest and maybe it'll be healed in 4 weeks. Again, I don't think this guy told him to practice or 'cleared' him up for anything. According to Gino, he actually started to do fitness after they send the studies to San Antonio.

    IMO, it's not really complicated: he's a compe or and he wanted to be there. He was going to push the issue, and that's definitely on him. I also have no reason to doubt what he says about certain doctors pulling a certain way. It's also true that Manu is extremely important in that ARG team, so they would wait longer for him to heal, but they won't play him if he's hurt.

    Yeah, I wasn't one suggesting that there was anything malicious. (I know it's easy to lose track of who said what here.) What I did say was it was irresponsible of a doctor to tell him that his stress fracture would be "fully healed" in 40 days time. And that was a quote from Manu, unless you think he made it up. (I don't.)

    I agree - he really wanted to play one last time, and I understand that. He went looking for a doctor that would tell him what he wanted to hear. The shame is, he found one. I don't think the Argentinian NT would play him, knowing he was hurt. But if they had a note from a "respected" doctor, saying that 40 days was enough time for the injury to be fully healed? Maybe.

    But it looks like none of that matters now, since he won't be playing. What does matter is that it is mid-summer, and he has re-aggravated an overuse injury. And if he keeps pushing, instead of following a legitimate rehab plan, he's not going to be right this next season. Maybe never. He needs to quit looking for someone to tell him what he wants to hear, and start taking the advice that I'm sure he's getting.

    Look, I've ed for years about Manu playing every summer. Not because I think the Spurs should be his only priority, but because he has an injury that requires a very specific recovery regimen that includes some complete rest. And he's either been getting some bad medical advice, or he's been ignoring some good medical advice. But this year he has a current overuse injury AND he's that many years older. And now he's behind schedule for rest/rehab. He's either going to have to bite the bullet and do it right, or spend the entire season hurting and less than 100%. This is one condition you just can't help by working harder.

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    Yeah, I wasn't one suggesting that there was anything malicious. (I know it's easy to lose track of who said what here.) What I did say was it was irresponsible of a doctor to tell him that his stress fracture would be "fully healed" in 40 days time. And that was a quote from Manu, unless you think he made it up. (I don't.)
    The only thing I'll say about this is that according to reports, the stress fracture was very small. I'm not a doctor, and I don't pretend to be one (most of the time anyways), but, you know, there was that.

    But it looks like none of that matters now, since he won't be playing. What does matter is that it is mid-summer, and he has re-aggravated an overuse injury. And if he keeps pushing, instead of following a legitimate rehab plan, he's not going to be right this next season. Maybe never. He needs to quit looking for someone to tell him what he wants to hear, and start taking the advice that I'm sure he's getting.

    Look, I've ed for years about Manu playing every summer. Not because I think the Spurs should be his only priority, but because he has an injury that requires a very specific recovery regimen that includes some complete rest. And he's either been getting some bad medical advice, or he's been ignoring some good medical advice. But this year he has a current overuse injury AND he's that many years older. And now he's behind schedule for rest/rehab. He's either going to have to bite the bullet and do it right, or spend the entire season hurting and less than 100%. This is one condition you just can't help by working harder.
    I'm pretty sure he's going to rest now. Last summer, the Spurs sent a physical trainer with him to Argentina, and judging by the good season he had, it worked well.
    Obviously, this summer I don't expect he'll be doing much of anything until he returns for training camp.

    As I said from the get go, I was hoping he wouldn't even think about playing. But, you know, what we want and what players want is sometimes very different.

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    Interesting stuff here. Thanks for your perspective GSH. The idea of him "ramping up" up his rehab progress and further aggravating an injury is a mighty scary thought. I believe with the rest he'll now have he is likely to fully recover, and possibly see through the process that it takes time. His compe ive nature is something we are all aware of. Hopefully the doctors can get him 100% and start his training gradually.

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    Hate to break it to you dude, but ... that's not technically true as a generalisation.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro...her-countries/



    Well, http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/ says you were part right - Italy actually has the 2nd best health care system in the world, while the USA has the 37th (Better than Argentina and Brazil, yes):

    World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems
    1 France
    2 Italy
    30 Canada
    32 Australia
    37 USA
    75 Argentina
    125 Brazil
    I was going off these rankings: http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro...her-countries/

    1. United Kingdom
    2. Switzerland
    3. Sweden
    4. Australia
    5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
    7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
    9. France
    10. Canada
    11. United States

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    Well on a serious note, being a random French guy living in Berlin (Germany), i'd much rather be sick in one of those 2 countries than in the US

    You will live longer and have a higher rate of cure/survival in the US. Idiot.
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    Because he is a friggin' drone.
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    Hate to break it to you dude, but ... that's not technically true as a generalisation.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro...her-countries/



    Well, http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/ says you were part right - Italy actually has the 2nd best health care system in the world, while the USA has the 37th (Better than Argentina and Brazil, yes):

    World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems
    1 France
    2 Italy
    30 Canada
    32 Australia
    37 USA
    75 Argentina
    125 Brazil

    All bullshot.


    We rank lower because we can handle things no other nation does.

    We lose more premature babies in the USA because we keep them alive at an age too young for ANY OTHER NATION to even attempt. We lose more because we try to save more....and we succeed. So we save a third of preemies when the rest of the world can't even save one.

    That's why Canadians come here for healthcare. That's why I flew the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia here for treatment. Because America is the BEST at it. We would be even better if our government would get its fat face put of it!

    Anyone who who denies this is a re ed fuqn drone.
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