NBA: Kevin Love is a top 10 player in the NBA,,,,

[StrengthAndHonor]

30% shooting inside the arc is terrible. That doesn't excuse him because he's not a traditional PF. He is still 7 ing feet tall.

I'm sorry to say, you clearly haven't seen him play. To say he's only good on putbacks and 3 pointers is being clueless.

[StrengthAndHonor]

And Love is not 7 feet tall. Wow at all this wrong information being thrown out here

[Killakobe81]

PF: Kevin Love (“6-10”): He measured at 6' 7.75," but that isn’t what makes Kevin Love’s height deception so das ly. It’s that K-Love is photographed at the height level of a “6-8” Derrick Williams.

Story here:http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...liars-in-shoes

[Sec24Row7]

Players I'd take over Dirk:

MJ
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Wilt
Bird
LeBron
Kobe
Shaq
Hakeem
David Robinson
Oscar Robertson
Dr. J
Karl Malone
KG

That's 16 right there. Name me 9 more to make it 25...if him being top 20 is so absurd, then I'm guessing you guys don't even have him in the top 25.

I could see an argument for Barkley, but I personally wouldn't take Barkley over Dirk.

edit: just thought of two more people that have arguments over Dirk...Jerry West and Moses Malone. I think Moses is overrated as though.

So you have 18… I'll throw barkley in there… 19

Pippen
George Gervin
Dwyane Wade
Dominique Wilkins
Isiah Thomas
Clyde Drexler
J Kidd
Kevin McHale

and I'll throw Steve Nash's two MVP's in there just to troll you.

[StrengthAndHonor]

PF: Kevin Love (“6-10”): He measured at 6' 7.75," but that isn’t what makes Kevin Love’s height deception so das ly. It’s that K-Love is photographed at the height level of a “6-8” Derrick Williams.

Story here:http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...liars-in-shoes

Good find. I was always skeptical with Love being 6'10, 6'8 is more like it.

[Chinook]

Players I'd take over Dirk:

MJ
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Wilt
Bird
LeBron
Kobe
Shaq
Hakeem
David Robinson
Oscar Robertson
Dr. J
Karl Malone
KG

That's 16 right there. Name me 9 more to make it 25...if him being top 20 is so absurd, then I'm guessing you guys don't even have him in the top 25.

I could see an argument for Barkley, but I personally wouldn't take Barkley over Dirk.

edit: just thought of two more people that have arguments over Dirk...Jerry West and Moses Malone. I think Moses is overrated as though.

Most of us know Dirk's a top-20 player of all time. You don't have to worry about that.

[SpursFan86]

Most of us know Dirk's a top-20 player of all time. You don't have to worry about that.

Yeah, I think I'll pass on responding to the guy who said Dominique Wilkins and Isiah Thomas were better than Dirk.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if kg is so great....how come he only has 1 30pt game all his career in the playoffs?

[Brazil]

if kg is so great....how come he only has 1 30pt game all his career in the playoffs?

since when it is a criteria ? I have to assume parker is great he had 3 30 pts games only this PO

[Kidd K]

You using sarcasm to avoid actually responding with any sort of substance? Those stats illustrate how ty their bench was. Give Minnesota a competent bench, and they're a 50 win team that makes the playoffs. Suddenly half of these criticisms about Love go away, despite him being the exact same damn player. Funny how that works.

BTW, let's look at Anthony Davis's on/off numbers...since he's the best player on a non-playoff team, we should see numbers similar to the ones we saw with Love, right?

With Davis on the court: Net RTG = -1.8
With Davis on the court: Net RTG = -3.7

No teams are typically going to play better with their starters. But the gap usually isn't near as big as the gap between Minnesota's starters and their bench. It's amazing I'm having to explain the importance of having a competent bench when we just watched the Spurs do what they did in 2014.

What is Love supposed to do? When he's on the court, his team plays great and noticeably outplays their opponents. When he's not on the court, they fall apart. I'm not arguing Love is the sole reason this is the case, but are you really going to sit here and argue that Rubio or Corey Brewer are the main reasons for Minnesota having a top 10 offense?

I already made my point. Bad teams have less good players, so the dropoff from starter to bench is always bigger. What more is there to even say? It wasn't a good, telling stat for that situation. You only compared one team's starting unit to that same team's bench. 100 times out of 100 there's going to be a dropoff. No coach is going to have his best players come off the bench while starting his backups all year. He would get fired.

Since you brought up Davis, k let's look at who starts for each team, aka who they're playing with.

Love: Ricky Rubio, Nikola Pekovic, Kevin Martin and Corey Brewer. 3/4 are pretty good players and Brewer isn't terrible either.

Davis: Eric Gordon, Al Farouq Aminu, and oh no one else even started more than 42 games for them. And the 42 was in Brian Roberts

Other ty Pelicans starters include scrubs like Alexis Ajinca (30 starts), Greg Steimsma (20 starts), and Jason Smith (27 starts). Players most fans have probably never heard of. . .since they're end of the bench on sub .300 team caliber players. That's who Davis has surrounding him. Scrubs.

Compare and contrast. Wolves: Loaded starting unit, weak bench. Pelicans: ty overall and riddled with injuries. It should not surprise you the Wolves have better stats on their starting unit when it was fairly loaded.

[Kidd K]

Yeah, I think I'll pass on responding to the guy who said Dominique Wilkins and Isiah Thomas were better than Dirk.

Isiah Thomas was pretty in good dude. He was averaging 21/4/11 with 2 1/2 steals in his prime. Even had a 14 APG season once.

[Sec24Row7]

Isiah Thomas was pretty in good dude. He was averaging 21/4/11 with 2 1/2 steals in his prime. Even had a 14 APG season once.

Dirk never had a 20/10 season.

Here are Nique's career stats…

Regular season[edit]
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1982–83 Atlanta 82 82 32.9 .493 .182 .682 5.8 1.6 1.0 .8 17.5
1983–84 Atlanta 81 81 36.6 .479 .000 .770 7.2 1.6 1.4 1.1 21.6
1984–85 Atlanta 81 81 37.3 .451 .309 .806 6.9 2.5 1.7 .7 27.4
1985–86 Atlanta 78 78 39.1 .468 .186 .818 7.8 2.6 1.8 .6 30.3
1986–87 Atlanta 79 79 37.6 .463 .292 .818 6.3 3.3 1.5 .6 29.0
1987–88 Atlanta 78 76 37.8 .464 .295 .826 6.4 2.9 1.3 .6 30.7
1988–89 Atlanta 80 80 37.5 .464 .276 .844 6.9 2.6 1.5 .7 26.2
1989–90 Atlanta 80 79 36.1 .484 .322 .807 6.5 2.5 1.6 .6 26.7
1990–91 Atlanta 81 81 38.0 .470 .341 .829 9.0 3.3 1.5 .8 25.9
1991–92 Atlanta 42 42 38.1 .464 .289 .835 7.0 3.8 1.2 .6 28.1
1992–93 Atlanta 71 70 37.3 .468 .380 .828 6.8 3.2 1.0 .4 29.9
1993–94 Atlanta 49 49 34.4 .432 .308 .854 6.2 2.3 1.3 .4 24.4
1993–94 Los Angeles 25 25 37.9 .453 .247 .835 7.0 2.2 1.2 .3 29.1
1994–95 Boston 77 64 31.5 .424 .388 .782 5.2 2.2 .8 .2 17.8
1996–97 San Antonio 63 26 30.9 .417 .293 .803 6.4 1.9 .6 .5 18.2
1998–99 Orlando 27 2 9.3 .379 .263 .690 2.6 .6 .1 .0 5.1
Career 1074 995 35.5 .461 .319 .811 6.7 2.5 1.3 .6 24.8


Here are Dirk's

Regular season[edit]
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1998–99 Dallas 47 24 20.4 .405 .206 .773 3.4 1.0 .6 .6 8.2
1999–00 Dallas 82 81 35.8 .461 .379 .830 6.5 2.5 .8 .8 17.5
2000–01 Dallas 82 82 38.1 .474 .387 .838 9.2 2.1 1.0 1.2 21.8
2001–02 Dallas 76 76 38.0 .477 .397 .853 9.9 2.4 1.1 1.0 23.4
2002–03 Dallas 80 80 39.0 .463 .379 .881 9.9 3.0 1.4 1.0 25.1
2003–04 Dallas 77 77 37.9 .462 .341 .877 8.7 2.7 1.2 1.4 21.8
2004–05 Dallas 78 78 38.7 .459 .399 .869 9.7 3.1 1.2 1.5 26.1
2005–06 Dallas 81 81 38.1 .480 .406 .901 9.0 2.8 .7 1.0 26.6
2006–07 Dallas 78 78 36.2 .502 .416 .904 8.9 3.4 .7 .8 24.6
2007–08 Dallas 77 77 36.0 .479 .359 .879 8.6 3.5 .7 .9 23.6
2008–09 Dallas 81 81 37.7 .479 .359 .890 8.4 2.4 .8 .8 25.9
2009–10 Dallas 81 80 37.5 .481 .421 .915 7.7 2.7 .9 1.0 25.0
2010–11† Dallas 73 73 34.3 .517 .393 .892 7.0 2.6 .5 .6 23.0
2011–12 Dallas 62 62 33.5 .457 .368 .896 6.8 2.2 .7 .5 21.6
2012–13 Dallas 53 47 31.3 .471 .414 .860 6.8 2.5 .7 .7 17.3
2013–14 Dallas 80 80 32.9 .497 .398 .899 6.2 2.7 .9 .6 21.7
Career 1188 1157 35.9 .476 .383 .879 8.1 2.6 .9 .9 22.5

Prime bolded.

It's not a lock… but it's arguable. I'd certainly rather watch prime Nique than prime Dirk. But… I just laughed at Dirk being top 20… Nique is like 25…

Bernard King was also definitely better than Dirk… but he got injured too early in his career.

Grant Hill is in the same boat.

[callo1]

Love is overrated.

[barbacoataco]

Regular season NBA is a joke. We'll see how good Love is when he actually plays in games that matter. Since he doesn't play defense that will be a problem for him.

[Jenks]

,,,

[lefty]

Couldn't even get the eighth seed with Rubio, Pekovic, Dieng, etc.

Name 10 better,,,(Blake fraud 24 and 9 player,,,no rings)

Love doesn't even have a single playoff appearance to his name, but Blake's the fraud for not having a ring at age 25?

[Malik Hairston]

Love is a great player, tbh, being misused on Cleveland isn't an indictment on him..not everybody can be effective in the role of a 3rd banana, especially somebody with Love's playing style..

He would be a great 2nd option, though..

[RsxPiimp]

Love is a great player, tbh, being misused on Cleveland isn't an indictment on him..not everybody can be effective in the role of a 3rd banana, especially somebody with Love's playing style..

He would be a great 2nd option, though..

[lefty]

he isnt


Overrated 3 pt shooting got, stat padding in garbage time in Minny when the other teams' top players were on the bench laughing

[Malik Hairston]

People seem to forget how bad Bosh looked offensively for a large part of his Miami tenure, where everybody thought he was a pussy and on the decline..

He always played well when Wade or Lebron went out, though, and looks just as good as ever in Miami this year..

Playing the 3rd option is extremely difficult for players that are accustomed to having a large chunk of usage..

[Malik Hairston]

The stat-padding argument actually works against Love haters, in this case..

Why? Because his Minnesota team from last year was literally better than this current Cavs team..not just my opinion, but based on the stats/facts..

[FkLA]

Rich mans David Lee tbh. Undersized+unathletic, no defense, limited post game, gets alot of his points from assisted jumpshots/3s or putbacks on offensive rebounds. Hes definitely a stat padder too. Whatever happened to Darko too, he looked like he was coming into his own last season.

Not sure why people ever fell for his stat whoring. He can still salvage his career if he is fine with being an elite stretch four that can rebound, no way is this dude anywhere near a #1 offensive option though. I'd make Kawhi my #1 offensive option before Love tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Love is overrated as fuxk..But i don't think his game this year is an indication of what he can really do as a player..

I said in the other thread, He's just in a terrible situation right now..Same goes with guys like Melo

[ElNono]

lol there's not enough excuses for this fraud right now...

[spurraider21]