Page 81 of 108 FirstFirst ... 317177787980818283848591 ... LastLast
Results 2,001 to 2,025 of 2682
  1. #2001
    Machacarredes Chinook's Avatar
    Post Count
    32,115
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas A&M Aggies
    No I didn't have to. Just wanted to.

    yes or no: it's illogical to believe in watch maker from another universe.
    No. That's what I said. It's not a question of logic. It violates no logical proofs to make that assertion.

  2. #2002
    Veteran RD2191's Avatar
    Post Count
    51,864
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Longhorns

  3. #2003
    Veteran RD2191's Avatar
    Post Count
    51,864
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Longhorns
    got in your little video chickens out.

  4. #2004
    Banned
    Post Count
    49,723
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Once upon a time there were no living beasts or fowl on the earth, the only living things lived in the sea. Then one day a male and a female thingy crawled out of the abyss, (yep a male and female on the same beach at the same time). As time went by, these little thingys became ants and dogs and cats and elephants and cows and monkies and....humans.

    Oh yes now theres some believable .

  5. #2005
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Post Count
    100,825
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    UCLA Bruins
    Once upon a time there were no living beasts or fowl on the earth, the only living things lived in the sea. Then one day a male and a female thingy crawled out of the abyss, (yep a male and female on the same beach at the same time). As time went by, these little thingys became ants and dogs and cats and elephants and cows and monkies and....humans.

    Oh yes now theres some believable .
    you join robdiaz in the "i dont know how evolution works" club

  6. #2006
    Banned
    Post Count
    49,723
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    you join robdiaz in the "i dont know how evolution works" club
    Trust me little man, I'm just as tight on that topic as I am sprinters/blues cats. Sure I was poking fun at it. Ya see it's called...The THEORY of evolution ...for a reason, a ton of holes in it, a TON!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When totally different species of things can all be traced back to having the same origins we have a problem.

  7. #2007
    my unders, my frgn whites pgardn's Avatar
    Post Count
    39,469
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Longhorns

    When totally different species of things can all be traced back to having the same origins we have a problem.
    No, actually we don't, in science.
    It has a mul ude of explanations, that make sense, to people who understand evolution.
    There are still discussions of the particulars, but I doubt you know them.

    If you equate your statement above to your proficiency in track, then you don't know squat about track.

    Please list your holes also. Educate the board since you might have decided to dive into the deep end lacking the ability to dog paddle.
    Gotta go outta town will be back tonite most likely, look forward hopefully to a good list. If you know your stuff, it has the possibility of being very meaningful.

  8. #2008
    my unders, my frgn whites pgardn's Avatar
    Post Count
    39,469
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Longhorns
    2x posting
    Last edited by pgardn; 08-07-2014 at 07:33 AM.

  9. #2009
    my unders, my frgn whites pgardn's Avatar
    Post Count
    39,469
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Longhorns
    Going back and rereading what various posters are posting, we seem to have different definitions for the same words. This creates a problem and illustrates to me the inadequacy of our language in some of these discussions.

    Faith
    Fact
    Law
    Theory
    Belief
    Reality...

  10. #2010
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders
    If I was trolling would I ever admit it?
    I've never understood why people pretend to be re ed on a messageboard.

    Is it really that fun for you to get randomguy to post 20 youtubes and a 10 page response?

    To each his own I guess.

  11. #2011
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders
    No. That's what I said. It's not a question of logic. It violates no logical proofs to make that assertion.
    would you agree that believing in the tooth fairy is illogical?

    So that I don't forget my question, I'm going to assume you do.

    my watch maker question is this:

    IYO, At what point did the watch maker let the universe run on it's own? At the very beginning?

  12. #2012
    Chunky Brazil's Avatar
    Post Count
    30,520
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs

    Orcas have no natural predators.
    Orcas are ing underated tbh
    They ing hunt white sharks

  13. #2013
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Post Count
    100,825
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    UCLA Bruins
    Orcas are ing underated tbh
    They ing hunt white sharks


    and dip sea world trainers

  14. #2014
    Chunky Brazil's Avatar
    Post Count
    30,520
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs


    and dip sea world trainers


    a shame dat sea worlds entertaining people with Orcas... that's their reward to be highly intelligent animals... that's an interesting paradox btw, you don't show off white sharks because they are pure instinct but you use Orca, a beast that should stay in the wild

  15. #2015
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders


    and dip sea world trainers
    Lol

  16. #2016
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders
    Orcas are ing underated tbh
    They ing hunt white sharks


    Incredible

  17. #2017
    Moss is Da Sauce! mouse's Avatar
    Post Count
    26,358
    NBA Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    He literally points to scripture in the bible... there is no misrepresentation here.... He points them out by scripture.... He was himself a teaching Theologian, far more qualified in the "faith" than you ever will be. What more do you want?
    Dude we all get, it you hate religion you despise the Bible.

    Now get back to trying to prove your here because two apes ed.

  18. #2018
    silverblk mystix
    Guest
    It does matter in this discussion. On a cosmological scale, nothing we say matters, however for this discussion it's important to understand why you seem to arbitrarily draw the line at defining the god you believe set things in motion. Things are in motion, and infinite regress is a real to deal with so there has to be a start, and the Big Bang is as far as we've gone back so far. So the mind has to decide that either the Big Bang was uncaused or it was caused. Since we don't know of any uncaused causes, it appears parsimonious to assume it was caused. That implies a causer, and any causer that can exist and act outside of the 1st act is, for all intents and purposes, equal to any god concept that holds any meaning. That's all fine and good, however it only leads to more problems than it solves. How is a prime mover able to escape our need for a cause, if not in reality at least in our explanation? Why can't we allow known things to escape that cause requirement? For example, why can't matter and energy have always existed (always being a time based measurement, meaning you cannot say "before that" with any sensible meaning)? Why is accepting that harder than accepting that a god exists in another realm that had a reason to start a universe? Why would a god start a universe? Why would a god exist without the universe? When did the god's home area come into existence? Is there time between the events of this god? Is this god omnipresent (can't escape that one if he's not confined by time). Is he omnipotent? (can't escape that one if he can create worlds without being affected by them). Is he omniscient? Does he know what loss feels like?

    Basically, an unknowable thing is unknowable. How do you know of it?



    Pretty much the ultimate knowledge of "god" right there -


    all of this and we are all still as blind to "god" as we have ever been and will ever be.

  19. #2019
    silverblk mystix
    Guest
    Why would you consider it possible without evidence to support it? Sounds more like hope.

    It is called "the unknown"

  20. #2020
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders
    Pretty much the ultimate knowledge of "god" right there -


    all of this and we are all still as blind to "god" as we have ever been and will ever be.
    you're claiming unknowable knowledge yet implying that a God exists all in the same post.

    It's either unknowable or it's knowable. Pick a lane.

  21. #2021
    Machacarredes Chinook's Avatar
    Post Count
    32,115
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas A&M Aggies
    would you agree that believing in the tooth fairy is illogical?

    So that I don't forget my question, I'm going to assume you do.

    my watch maker question is this:

    IYO, At what point did the watch maker let the universe run on it's own? At the very beginning?
    No. Believing in the tooth-fairy is not a question of logic. Beliefs don't come from logic. They come from empiricism. Do I think that believing in the tooth fairy is supportable or a legitimate explanation for phenomena? Nope. But that's not the same thing as thinking something is illogical. Believing that a bachelor is married is illogical, because it violates self-evident truth. Believing in something without sufficient evidence violates not such truths.

    To your question, yeah. That's what I think is most likely to have occurred.

  22. #2022
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders
    No. Believing in the tooth-fairy is not a question of logic. Beliefs don't come from logic. They come from empiricism. Do I think that believing in the tooth fairy is supportable or a legitimate explanation for phenomena? Nope. But that's not the same thing as thinking something is illogical. Believing that a bachelor is married is illogical, because it violates self-evident truth. Believing in something without sufficient evidence violates not such truths.

    To your question, yeah. That's what I think is most likely to have occurred.
    I don't care if your beliefs come from empiricism or from mom and dad.

    Why you started believing what you do is rather irrelevant in considering whether or not it's logical to continue believing that way.

    That said, you have no more empirical reason to believe in a watch maker than you do the tooth fairy.

    If you have to make up a story about the origin of the universe, it's just not logical to believe in it.


    As far as the question: so if the watch maker started the universe and let it go, the logical conclusion there is that earth and it's inhabitants are just happy coincidences that just happened to spring into existence based on the rules of this universe. Agree or disagree?

  23. #2023
    Veteran RD2191's Avatar
    Post Count
    51,864
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Longhorns
    Blake talking out of his ass.

  24. #2024
    Machacarredes Chinook's Avatar
    Post Count
    32,115
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas A&M Aggies
    I don't care if your beliefs come from empiricism or from mom and dad.

    Why you started believing what you do is rather irrelevant in considering whether or not it's logical to continue believing that way.

    That said, you have no more empirical reason to believe in a watch maker than you do the tooth fairy.

    If you have to make up a story about the origin of the universe, it's just not logical to believe in it.


    As far as the question: so if the watch maker started the universe and let it go, the logical conclusion there is that earth and it's inhabitants are just happy coincidences that just happened to spring into existence based on the rules of this universe. Agree or disagree?
    You can care or not care. It won't help your understanding of logic. Belief does not come from logic. Truth does. That's a distinction you don't seem to get. A belief in evolution is not logical. A belief that you have hands isn't logical. That's a completely different thing altogether.

    Probably. Depends on the knowledge level of the maker. If he is omniscient, then we and everything else were known about and intended. But if he isn't, then we may well be coincidental.

  25. #2025
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    Post Count
    83,642
    NBA Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    College
    Texas Tech Red Raiders
    Blake talking out of his ass.
    You were a C- public school student weren't you.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •