Foundational Falshoods of Creationism

[DMC]

You demolished them all and especially blake who is still yammering.

None of them have disproved God.

Plus none of them have even proved that God is "extraordinary".

He is not extraordinary, at least not to us, He is just God.

If it is so important and offensive to them, then they need to prove it and so far I have not seen one iota of proof.

And Christ said we would do those things, and greater.

And we are, everyday.

Nothing extraordinary about any of that.

So your god is the same as any other god. Nothing extraordinary about your god. Why then must you have no other gods before that one?

[DMC]

Let's see how long it will take to answer this one. Took about four days and five times to finally find a bull excuse that amounted to "but that was before Jesus".

I guess I can shrug off that much, but that still doesn't leave bible God off the hook for being evil psychopath.

Jesus thought slavery was perfectly fine, as far as I could tell, as long as you didn't kill your slaves.

Rob doesn't give a about any of it, however the default position for most Christians is that, since you don't believe like they do, you shouldn't be able to discuss or critique the Bible. Only believers can do that, as if the book itself doesn't really exist until you join the fraternity of believers.

[Blake]

Catholic and Protestant Churches alike have profited greatly off of this.

"wait, you want me to give 10%?"

"don't try to figure out why God needs money."

[RandomGuy]

It's more of an effect than a cause. The world is full of mentally lazy people and they naturally will gravitate to a system that dissuades critical examination. That way an idiot can be as right as a genius.

"Don't inspect the goods, just trust the salesman"

THat is the way the brain works. It takes conscious effort to examine underlying assumptions, and look for data that contravenes your existing beliefs.

One can tell a lot about the quality of someone's intellect and character by simply watching how they respond to being challenged.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...+with+evidence

The problem is that sometimes the things they think they know are objectively, provably false. And in the presence of the correct information, such people react very, very differently than the merely uninformed. Instead of changing their minds to reflect the correct information, they can entrench themselves even deeper.

“The general idea is that it’s absolutely threatening to admit you’re wrong,” says political scientist Brendan Nyhan, the lead researcher on the Michigan study. The phenomenon — known as “backfire” — is “a natural defense mechanism to avoid that cognitive dissonance.”

These findings open a long-running argument about the political ignorance of American citizens to broader questions about the interplay between the nature of human intelligence and our democratic ideals. Most of us like to believe that our opinions have been formed over time by careful, rational consideration of facts and ideas, and that the decisions based on those opinions, therefore, have the ring of soundness and intelligence. In reality, we often base our opinions on our beliefs, which can have an uneasy relationship with facts. And rather than facts driving beliefs, our beliefs can dictate the facts we chose to accept. They can cause us to twist facts so they fit better with our preconceived notions. Worst of all, they can lead us to uncritically accept bad information just because it reinforces our beliefs. This reinforcement makes us more confident we’re right, and even less likely to listen to any new information.

One can see that play out here.

[DMC]

THat is the way the brain works. It takes conscious effort to examine underlying assumptions, and look for data that contravenes your existing beliefs.

One can tell a lot about the quality of someone's intellect and character by simply watching how they respond to being challenged.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...+with+evidence



One can see that play out here.

Much of what you see here is just people ing around. I don't think you see a lot of real opinions here, but you do see some and often those people, when shown facts that disagree with their beliefs, will abandon the thread or even the forum. Those who keep at it are just entertaining themselves. They've been led to believe by too much time on forums that being a troll is a worthy cause because any thread with a conversation deeper than shoes or s needs to be disrupted. It's fun watching the pseudo-intellectuals struggle to answer intentionally silly questions and chase off-bubble comments in order to level them out.

[Blake]

No, you are making another one of your false assumptions again.
I can believe something based on faith, and not be dependent on some book.
And because I have a confirmation of that belief in a book does not make it reasonably logical that you can infer everything in that book follows logically, or literally.
This is where your false logic breaks down into an ad hominem.
You have faith too, we all do, or do you deny that?

gibberish

[RandomGuy]

Rob doesn't give a about any of it, however the default position for most Christians is that, since you don't believe like they do, you shouldn't be able to discuss or critique the Bible. Only believers can do that, as if the book itself doesn't really exist until you join the fraternity of believers.

It bothers them when non-believers know the bible better than they do, that's for sure.

You can see the cognitive dissonance here as well.

Assumptions:
"Atheists don't know anything about the bible"

Evidence:
An atheist can quote scripture, proving he has read the bible.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE ALERT!!

Rather than give up the original belief, one simply modifies it with the least amount of mental effort possible.

New Assumption:
"Atheists haven't REALLY read the bible." (the "no true scotsman fallacy") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

The hard part would be to really wonder how anyone could read the bible and not think it was the best.

It is very enlightening to see such people talk about other holy books. Suddenly, when it isn't their book, they can critique the nonsense for what it is.

[RandomGuy]

Much of what you see here is just people ing around. I don't think you see a lot of real opinions here, but you do see some and often those people, when shown facts that disagree with their beliefs, will abandon the thread or even the forum. Those who keep at it are just entertaining themselves. They've been led to believe by too much time on forums that being a troll is a worthy cause because any thread with a conversation deeper than shoes or s needs to be disrupted. It's fun watching the pseudo-intellectuals struggle to answer intentionally silly questions and chase off-bubble comments in order to level them out.

I have found that even trolls can't keep up the trollness constantly. That kind of pretending takes effort to. Reality will sneak in around the edges.

[xmas1997]

So your god is the same as any other god. Nothing extraordinary about your god. Why then must you have no other gods before that one?

What other gods? Are there other gods out there that you are aware of?

gibberish

Do you deny you have faith?

[Blake]

Do you deny you have faith?

Yes I deny I have faith in magic.

What's your point

[silverblk mystix]

Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding

"dont use your brain. just believe what the book tells you, no questions asked"

Funny that lazy people read that and think it means ^ ...that ^


I read that and it makes perfect sense- maybe if your brain was not on auto-pilot because of your laziness and false ideas - you would understand it also.


Here is some help for you lazy ignorant robots;


Trust in the LORD = lose all your programming, false ideas, beliefs, conditioning - and allow yourself to return to a place called "love" "god" "love" "peace" "understanding" "wakefulness"

with all your heart = get rid of ALL the programming - all of it - from your culture, school, parents,friends,society,culture, etc...


Lean NOT on your own understanding = means - get rid of all that rubbish they taught you because it made you in' blind - this is why your "understanding" is blind/false/inaccurate -


But - most sleeping people would rather crucify the messenger and remain in their robotic, sleeping state.


Only morons/idiots/blind moron idiots - read the scriptures and completely miss the message/truth/love/wisdom.


"PROVE" that the above is "inaccurate" -

ok

"sleeping scientists"

[RD2191]

Funny that lazy people read that and think it means ^ ...that ^


I read that and it makes perfect sense- maybe if your brain was not on auto-pilot because of your laziness and false ideas - you would understand it also.


Here is some help for you lazy ignorant robots;


Trust in the LORD = lose all your programming, false ideas, beliefs, conditioning - and allow yourself to return to a place called "love" "god" "love" "peace" "understanding" "wakefulness"

with all your heart = get rid of ALL the programming - all of it - from your culture, school, parents,friends,society,culture, etc...


Lean NOT on your own understanding = means - get rid of all that rubbish they taught you because it made you in' blind - this is why your "understanding" is blind/false/inaccurate -


But - most sleeping people would rather crucify the messenger and remain in their robotic, sleeping state.


Only morons/idiots/blind moron idiots - read the scriptures and completely miss the message/truth/love/wisdom.


"PROVE" that the above is "inaccurate" -

ok

"sleeping scientists"

[xmas1997]

Yes I deny I have faith in magic.

What's your point

My point is you do have "faith", faith in science or something else!

[Blake]

Funny that lazy people read that and think it means ^ ...that ^


I read that and it makes perfect sense- maybe if your brain was not on auto-pilot because of your laziness and false ideas - you would understand it also.


Here is some help for you lazy ignorant robots;


Trust in the LORD = lose all your programming, false ideas, beliefs, conditioning - and allow yourself to return to a place called "love" "god" "love" "peace" "understanding" "wakefulness"

with all your heart = get rid of ALL the programming - all of it - from your culture, school, parents,friends,society,culture, etc...


Lean NOT on your own understanding = means - get rid of all that rubbish they taught you because it made you in' blind - this is why your "understanding" is blind/false/inaccurate -


But - most sleeping people would rather crucify the messenger and remain in their robotic, sleeping state.


Only morons/idiots/blind moron idiots - read the scriptures and completely miss the message/truth/love/wisdom.


"PROVE" that the above is "inaccurate" -

ok

"sleeping scientists"

Gibberish

[silverblk mystix]

Gibberish

Waiting for you to "prove" that it is wrong since you agreed with the moronic statement I was "correcting"

[Blake]

My point is you do have "faith", faith in science or something else!

Yes I have faith in certain things based on evidence.

I have no faith in a god.

You're an idiot.

[xmas1997]

Yes I have faith in certain things based on evidence.

I have no faith in a god.

You're an idiot.

How do you KNOW it is based on evidence, were you there, did you run the experiments, did you postulate the math involved?

All of that, yet you still have "faith" in what science tells you is true!

Otherwise how can you believe it?

Because you have no "proof", other than your faith.

[Blake]

Waiting for you to "prove" that it is wrong since you agreed with the moronic statement I was "correcting"

so you make a claim but you want someone else to disprove it.

you can yourself, lazy idiot.

[Blake]

How do you KNOW it is based on evidence, were you there, did you run the experiments, did you postulate the math involved?

All of that, yet you still have "faith" in what science tells you is true!

Otherwise how can you believe it?

Because you have no "proof", other than your faith.

You're trying to equate faith in science to faith in spaghetti monster.

It leads to failure. It should be easy to figure out why, but if you can't, it's an easy google too.

[xmas1997]

so you make a claim but you want someone else to disprove it.

you can yourself, lazy idiot.

Where is your "proof" that justifies your faith in what science says is true, and validates why you believe in science?

No, all I am saying is you have NO PROOF that validates your belief that justifies your faith in science.

[spurraider21]

Lean NOT on your own understanding = means - get rid of all that rubbish they taught you because it made you in' blind - this is why your "understanding" is blind/false/inaccurate

the ing irony

[Blake]

Where is your "proof" that justifies your faith in what science says is true, and validates why you believe in science?

No, all I am saying is you have NO PROOF that validates your belief that justifies your faith in science.

Science says the earth is round. There are actual pictures of a round earth.

It's easy to have faith the pictures are valid.

I'm done holding your hand on this one. Either ask someone else or google it, moron.

[silverblk mystix]

so you make a claim but you want someone else to disprove it.

you can yourself, lazy idiot.

Pretty stupid that it needs to be explained but here it is;


Spurridiot made the claim that a bible quote means something.


I proved it was false already.

You are still struggling to respond accurately due to your re- ness.

Try to keep up.

Idiot.

[silverblk mystix]

the ing irony

My statement is 100% accurate - but you have been programmed - and are unable to see simple truth.

All your so-called "education" has completely blinded you to truth "knocking on your door"


You cannot find any inaccuracies in my post - none - period.

[Blake]

Pretty stupid that it needs to be explained but here it is;


Spurridiot made the claim that a bible quote means something.


I proved it was false already.

You are still struggling to respond accurately due to your re- ness.

Try to keep up.

Idiot.

I don't keep up with gibberish.