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RP's isolationism/non-interventionism is exactly why the war-lovin, gun-fellatin, murderous Repugs will never choose him a Pres candidate.
Why Won’t Obama Just Leave Ukraine Alone?
President Obama announced last week that he was imposing yet another round of sanctions on Russia, this time targeting financial, arms, and energy sectors. The European Union, as it has done each time, quickly followed suit.
These sanctions will not produce the results Washington demands, but they will hurt the economies of the US and EU, as well as Russia.
These sanctions are, according to the Obama administration, punishment for what it claims is Russia’s role in the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, and for what the president claims is Russia’s continued arming of separatists in eastern Ukraine. Neither of these reasons makes much sense because neither case has been proven.
The administration began blaming Russia for the downing of the plane just hours after the crash, before an investigation had even begun. The administration claimed it had evidence of Russia’s involvement but refused to show it. Later, the Obama administration arranged a briefing by “senior intelligence officials” who told the media that “we don’t know a name, we don’t know a rank and we’re not even 100 percent sure of a nationality,” of who brought down the aircraft.
So Obama then claimed Russian culpability because Russia’s “support” for the separatists in east Ukraine “created the conditions” for the shoot-down of the aircraft. That is a dangerous measure of culpability considering US support for separatist groups in Syria and elsewhere.
Similarly, the US government claimed that Russia is providing weapons, including heavy weapons, to the rebels in Ukraine and shooting across the border into Ukrainian territory. It may be true, but again the US refuses to provide any evidence and the Russian government denies the charge. It’s like Iraq’s WMDs all over again.
Obama has argued that the Ukrainians should solve this problem themselves and therefore Russia should butt out.
I agree with the president on this. Outside countries should leave Ukraine to resolve the conflict itself. However, even as the US demands that the Russians de-escalate, the United States is busy escalating!
In June, Washington sent a team of military advisors to help Ukraine fight the separatists in the eastern part of the country. Such teams of “advisors” often include special forces and are usually a slippery slope to direct US military involvement.
On Friday, President Obama requested Congressional approval to send US troops into Ukraine to train and equip its national guard. This even though in March, the president promised no US boots on the ground in Ukraine. The deployment will be funded with $19 million from a fund designated to fight global terrorism, signaling that the US considers the secessionists in Ukraine to be “terrorists.”
Are US drone strikes against these “terrorists” and the “associated forces” who support them that far off?
The US has already provided the Ukrainian military with $23 million for defense security, $5 million in body armor, $8 million to help secure Ukraine’s borders, several hundred thousand ready-to-eat meals as well as an array of communications equipment. Congress is urging the president to send lethal military aid and the administration is reportedly considering sending real-time intelligence to help target rebel positions.
But let’s not forget that this whole crisis started with the US-sponsored coup against Ukraine’s elected president back in February. The US escalates while it demands that Russia de-escalate. How about all sides de-escalate?
Even when the goals are clear, sanctions have a lousy track record. Sanctions are acts of war. These sanctions will most definitely have a negative effect on the US economy as well as the Russian economy. Why is “winning” Ukraine so important to Washington? Why are they risking a major war with Russia to deny people in Ukraine the right to self-determination? Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!
RP's isolationism/non-interventionism is exactly why the war-lovin, gun-fellatin, murderous Repugs will never choose him a Pres candidate.
Although there are still a ton of Americans falling for the classic Washington BS "Iraq has WMD's & Saddam is working with Bin Laden", I think I can safely say a good portion have caught on. Maybe if the Economy was still booming these issues of "What & why is the USA meddling overseas" would still be swept under the rug. But currently it's fairly obvious to most that US is in the business of destabilizing Governments. Maybe 50+ years ago you could argue the end result of these involvements turned out positive but over the past 30+ years and especially the last decade it's been awful. I can't think of a single nation over the past decade that US helped "liberate" and it resulting in superior living standards.
The effect is being felt in Europe as people & governments are openly questioning if "Liberal Democracy" is any longer even the way to go. I'm waiting for the gullible Eastern Europeans to wake up.
Why not just let Russia do whatever the they want? Stay out of it.
Jon Stewart trashing Rand Paul and his blatant LIES
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...c?detail=email
Why won't the U.S. leave Israel alone?
Wealthy Jews, AIPAC buy govt policies, just like anybody else in USA.
It was rhetorical.
russia always finds a way to up. just let them themselves over.
Replace Russia with USA in your original statement and it also rings true
Because Russia must be clearly shown that this kind of expansionism will not be tolerated. If they don't get the message Baltic states will be next highly possible target. They all have solid Russian minority and are NATO members.
Now do you feel like starting WWIII over nation of million or three? Do you, punk?
Well if you don't NATO charter ain't worth the paper it's written on. Just what Putin wants.
Who has the largest economy along with the most military strength Nazi?
Fkn ruskis can't even feed themselves, all they can do is petrol, and they do this poorly. So much farmland and mineral wealth and look where they are. With a leader who takes his shirt off to project power. Russia is a mess.
USA is terrified of Russia tbh. They cannot fight a land war vs Russia. They know it, and Putin knows it. Even maintaining an aerial war vs. Russia would be a monumental task. Sure USA weaponry is superior. But Russia is inmense and they have very powerful AntiAir weapons. Any kind of direct war vs. Russia would cost the US it's economy and it would result in US collapse eventually.
so no, there won't be any kind of direct war vs. Russia. Europe and USA are terrified of even thinking this.
USA couldn't even beat Vietnam. You really think they have a chance vs Russia??
We could have leveled Vietnam just like we did with Germany and Japan. We don't go all in because we like our money, we like functional economies. Because Russia is in such sad shape they don't have as much to lose. We would could obliterate them in any sort of war if we go all in.USA is terrified of Russia tbh. They cannot fight a land war vs Russia. They know it, and Putin knows it. Even maintaining an aerial war vs. Russia would be a monumental task. Sure USA weaponry is superior. But Russia is inmense and they have very powerful AntiAir weapons. Any kind of direct war vs. Russia would cost the US it's economy and it would result in US collapse eventually.
so no, there won't be any kind of direct war vs. Russia. Europe and USA are terrified of even thinking this.
USA couldn't even beat Vietnam. You really think they have a chance vs Russia??
But we won't, and either will they. But they will melt internally far ahead of the US.
false. Russia has 2000+ nukes hundreds with multiple warheads and ability to deliver payload on multiple locations. If US goes all in on Russia, US would be toast.
That's US only hope. Will all be meaningless in 15 years when China Navy/Airforce takes over.But we won't, and either will they. But they will melt internally far ahead of the US.
Wrong, Russia would not have done .
We could have leveled the entirety of Vietnam conventionally.
And wrong again imo.
China is choking on their own waste. We will learn from them how not to run industry when it gets hot.
China will be the perfect example for people to see clearly the destruction big industry can cause, State run, or free market.
Yup. How many Americans would actually strap up their boots and fight? As demographics in the USA continue to change so does the percentage of Americans that would make the ultimate sacrifice. Russia has a population foaming at the mouth to prove themselves. They haven't fought a large War since the 1980's while the USA is tired and moral dwindling. USA hasn't defended it's home land in over 200 years and unlike then this is a population split culturally, racially and religiously.USA is terrified of Russia tbh. They cannot fight a land war vs Russia. They know it, and Putin knows it. Even maintaining an aerial war vs. Russia would be a monumental task. Sure USA weaponry is superior. But Russia is inmense and they have very powerful AntiAir weapons. Any kind of direct war vs. Russia would cost the US it's economy and it would result in US collapse eventually.
so no, there won't be any kind of direct war vs. Russia. Europe and USA are terrified of even thinking this.
USA couldn't even beat Vietnam. You really think they have a chance vs Russia??
You know Arabs would take the side of Russians seeing it as an opportunity to bring down the Great Satan. Envision suicide bombings outside your doorstep.
Good luck America
America has more than proved its mettle when the population actually feels threatened.
You look at half hearted forays into foreign countries with fanciful thinking they become democracies, Americans never totally bought this. It's like the great beast got fed up with the stinging ants. You tell Americans they are in a true battle for THEIR territory... Nazi don't want to ever see that again, and either does Russia or myself.
Can you describe Dresden? Nazi...
Americans didn't fight Nazis. They fought poorly equipped Asians and they are now fighting disorganized Middle Easterners. Americans want no part of the powerful White Race.
My wife's father fought Nazis. I talked to him many times before he died and I saw the pictures he took.
Explained.
He was also fair skinned brown hair blue eyed just like my wife, me and my daughter. We are Caucasians with German background. And we hate Nazis. So we were glad when he played a role in blowing them up. Re-engineering the German airfields for American planes to bomb Nazis gave him a sense of righteousness I think. Especially after seeing the camps.
I have seen the pictures Nazi...
We white Americans don't forget. Neither do most Germans. They are ashamed at what their relatives did or let go on.
Can Europe get some love in this -measuring contest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_military
This is just EU to these numbers you can also add Ukraine, Norway, Ireland, Turkey, Israel and few smaller ones in Balkans.
More than 500 mil people - with additions upwards of 600 (cannon-fodder we have), 2nd biggest defense budget (more than twice the Russian), 5 aircraft carriers (2 additional under construction), some of the best attack subs, almost all forces have real combat experiences...
But of course if whole thing goes nuclear we'll be talking about strategic reserves of rocks.
Last edited by xeromass; 08-09-2014 at 01:06 AM.
One more thing - Russia is currently on post-Crimean annexation high. Public is also pumped full of state propaganda about Ukrainian fascists abusing ethnic Russians with the help of Germans and Americans (old WWII and cold war enemies).
Putin apparently has 87% approval rating, although I doubt the accuracy of that. It's too high the number even for Jesus the 2nd if he ever decides to show up.
They simply need a nice (economic) kick in the balls so they realize they're not all powerful and can't go alone in this world.
Europeans are pussies. Why else do they let daddy USA speak for them vs Russia?Can Europe get some love in this -measuring contest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_military
This is just EU to these numbers you can also add Ukraine, Norway, Ireland, Turkey, Israel and few smaller ones in Balkans.
More than 500 mil people - with additions upwards of 600 (cannon-fodder we have), 2nd biggest defense budget (more than twice the Russian), 5 aircraft carriers (2 additional under construction), some of the best attack subs, almost all forces have real combat experiences...
But of course if whole thing goes nuclear we'll be talking about strategic reserves of rocks.
They are a disorganized bunch of gots.
Its so enlightening to have a real expert on foreign affairs clear things up.
* crinkle trash *
Only chance Russia has versus NATO is if China throws in assuming all out war.USA is terrified of Russia tbh. They cannot fight a land war vs Russia. They know it, and Putin knows it. Even maintaining an aerial war vs. Russia would be a monumental task. Sure USA weaponry is superior. But Russia is inmense and they have very powerful AntiAir weapons. Any kind of direct war vs. Russia would cost the US it's economy and it would result in US collapse eventually.
so no, there won't be any kind of direct war vs. Russia. Europe and USA are terrified of even thinking this.
USA couldn't even beat Vietnam. You really think they have a chance vs Russia??
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