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Curry, Westbrook, Griffin, Harden, Lillard, Rose (if he's healthy), George (if he's healthy). Give Kawhi a year or two and he'll surpasses the stat padder tbh.
What's embarrassing is that a 38 yr old Duncan is still better than the stat padder.
and I'll spot you LeBron, Durant, and Davis. Give me 7 more players that are better than a 26 and 12 player at the age of 25 in the league.
Curry, Westbrook, Griffin, Harden, Lillard, Rose (if he's healthy), George (if he's healthy). Give Kawhi a year or two and he'll surpasses the stat padder tbh.
What's embarrassing is that a 38 yr old Duncan is still better than the stat padder.
How can you measure not playing defense and being unclutch ? 25/12 are empty stats.
He is the best no D stat padder, I'll give you that.
But no is he top 10 player in the league.
He's a solid player, but clearly not a winner or a franchise player if he couldn't even find a way to take the Wolves to a playoffs in his tenure. Yeah the West is hard, but any player of "top 10" status will and can lead a team to a playoff berth, regardless of the team in question. Top 20, though, for sure.
The T'Wolves have many issues for sure, but their roster is hardly one that I'd consider one of the worsts ever. Love should have taken to the playoffs at least once or twice. I know that it's seldom the fault of one player, but "top 10" players should have a way of making their teammates better in some respect.
He's Top 10 last season, this coming year probably not with production projected to take a bit of a hit in Cleveland.
Lebron
Durant
Paul
Westbrook
Dwight
Griffin
George
That's 8. You can put Love and Davis to fill the spots.
better at what? define what you are looking for first.
Offensively, you'll be hard pressed. But defensively, you could probably name at least 3
Crofl putting George in the top 10. Are you stoned?
He's a two way player, which is rare for a wing player nowadays.
Should I put Harden over him?
George is horrific on offense. 21 points on 17 shots to the tune of 42% shooting.He's a two way player, which is rare for a wing player nowadays.
Should I put Harden over him?
Yes Harden is better than George. Offensively.
Harden isn't any better, unless you only count regular season production. Matter of fact, last year Harden shot worse in the playoffs for one (37%)
I'd give the slight edge to Harden offensively, but it isn't a gap that you make it out to be
Harden isn't any better, unless you only count regular season production. Matter of fact, last year Harden shot worse in the playoffs for one (37%)
I'd give the slight edge to Harden offensively, but it isn't a gap that you make it out to be
1. Harden is top 5 in offensive Win shares, so no he's not "slightly" better on offense. George isn't even top 20. Harden has been top 5 in win shares back to back years.
2. Harden is Top 6 in Win shares per 48 minutes, George is 16th.
3. Offensive rating, george is not top 20.
4. George has a higher usage rate than Harden, and against East compe ion, he still is far less efficient.
5. No it isn't just free throws. Harden shoots 51% on 2 point attempts, George shoots 45%. Harden assisted on 27% of player makes while he was on the floor, George assisted on 17%, so not only does that say Harden is the better playmaker, George can't even properly dribble or create space to set up his teammates.
6. Yes Harden needs to show up in the playoffs, he is capable.
Oh, and top 5 MVP voting.
OP...
At this point, I would hesitate to include Howard in the top 10.
He was always a and a mental got with a re ed low-post game for someone of his size. But now that he's past his physical prime, he ain't .
Did you seriously list Harden.
I'd take Love over Lillard, Harden, Rose (because when has dude been healthy?), and Westbrook, team dependent. Although Love could be a mental trainwreck like Russ in the postseason -- we'll see how that all shakes out.
I notice you didn't mention the word "defense" once in this entire post.
Harden might be the most one-way player in basketball outside of Kobe. He's really ing lucky he's played in front of Ibaka and Howard his entire career, two of the best rim protectors in the league.
Maybe if you read my original post of Harden being better offensively but not defensively, and Rsxpimp responding like a re , you could grasp the stats.I notice you didn't mention the word "defense" once in this entire post.
Harden might be the most one-way player in basketball outside of Kobe. He's really ing lucky he's played in front of Ibaka and Howard his entire career, two of the best rim protectors in the league.
Best players in the NBA right now assuming 100% healthy:
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. George
3a. Cp3
4. Rose (we'll see, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though)
5. Curry
6. Griffin
7. Love (interchangable with 6 tbh)
8. Davis (Could move up to as high as 3rd or 4th this year)
9. Melo
10. ???? Could be Harden, could be Howard, could be Kawhi at some point. I honestly think we're going to see a monster season from Boogie.
George had a really rocky 2nd half to the season. Don't think it should count against his long term offensive prognosis. That Pacers team was mentally broken and limped through to the ECF on George's play basically alone with a few contributions from Lance and West.
I'm fine with the stats. I'm also fine with, you know, discussing the topic of the thread. Which is who are the top 10 players in the League.
George does nothing on offense that makes him a top 10 player. Dude gets overrated like crazy just because he played next to Lance Stephenson.
Debatable at the very least. George is a very good offensive player and an elite defensive player. Griffin is an elite offensive player and an average to below average defensive player. George obviously isn't better NOW because his leg is in two pieces, and who knows if he'll ever be the same again.
Griffin's impressed the out of me. I love his game. But he's still completely ing lost on defense. George impacts both sides of the ball. If Kawhi plays next season like he did in the Finals, he'll be right around top 5 in the league as well. Long, athletic, two way players that can get stops on d and score from anywhere are the future of the NBA.
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