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Can someone post the whole article? Thanks.
Can someone post the whole article? Thanks.
What's there to debate?
Nowhere in the article's preview there's a mention of Gino... OP just really wants to know if Joe Johnson will make it?
Manu Ginobili
Career WARP: 118.8
Basketball-Reference HOF probability: 25.8 percent
Ginobili is the more interesting case. A later start to his NBA career and a few injuries prevented him from piling up the requisite counting stats. (To wit: Ginobili has scored fewer career points than Stephen Jackson.) I suspect he'd still get in on the strength of four championships. His role on Argentina's golden 2004 Olympic team bolsters his case considerably.
- Kevin Pelton
I do think a Vince Carter discussion would be interesting... he is/was an iconic player for the league, but is he HoF worthy?
Tony Parker
Career WARP: 84.2
Basketball-Reference HOF probability: 95.4 percent
Despite his poor WARP figure, Parker's case is the most heavily weighted to NBA performance of the three international candidates. In fact, Basketball-Reference.com's model suggests Parker -- who has ac ulated six All-Star appearances, four NBA les and a Finals MVP -- is the surest bet of any player considered here.
- Kevin Pelton
OP is Nostradamus, tbh... thanks for the snippet though.
Can people stop posting ESPN bull ? I realized I made a terrible mistake in caring.
International committee will put Manu in, no doubts about it.
Stephen Jackson scored more points than Manu? Not surprising. Jackson was a chucker on every team. Manu has always scored his points in the context of team. Are we saying that you have to score a certain amount of points to be in the HOF? If so, that favors chuckers over team players. It would be ludicrous to think Jackson is better than Manu because he scored more points. Manu was an all around player and his stats manifest that: he is a great scorer and passer and an above average defender (I would not say he was ever a great defender, though he had his moments). He's also had big moments on big stages. And I don't think you can put any weight behind all star appearances because that is mostly a popularity contest. We habitually have popular but less skilled players on the all star team. , even players that have been injured all year are voted on all star teams. I give weight to all NBA teams, but that's about it and even that is fraught with big market bias.
Actually, Manu's picture was on the front page ESPN link (along with Joe Johnsona and Vince Carter) which implied he would be mentioned in the article.
Do you even ESPN bro?
Carter led the 2000 olympic team to gold in Sydney, and jumped over some Lithuanian guy's head. I think he's a shoo in.
Ah thanks, missed that.
Not really, bro.
Check Yahoo more often, Tree of Woj normally has the news earlier...
I do check Grantland though... I like some of the Bill Simmons writing...
Would Manure be HOF worthy on NBA accolades alone? I say to the n-o
B-R's 25% nba only HOF probability stat doesn't lie
Well, according to your opinion, you believed Manu wouldn't score 20 again. Especially considering they said in the article that state was very misleading.Would Manure be HOF worthy on NBA accolades alone? I say to the n-o
B-R's 25% nba only HOF probability stat doesn't lie
Slightly off topic, but there's an article on NBA.com, asking why not put Horry in the HOF?
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/0...does-it-exist/
I'm kind of beginning to think Big Shot Bob maybe should be in. The Lakers and the Spurs may each have one less le without him
I think the 2004 ARG NT (aka Golden Generation) is probably deserving of induction too... they're the first team ever to beat Team USA made up of NBA players twice, and Colangelo, Coach K, etc said they used that team as inspiration to rebuild Team USA after those debacles.
Furthermore, and talking about Simmons, he said in the pre-game of Game 5 of the Finals that Heat fans probably feels like Team USA fans in the 2002-2005 era, when international teams started to move the ball around and the NBA stars were playing one on one and didn't know what to do.
Just another nod to team ball dominance and if you remember those days, the style of play of these Spurs was very reminiscent of that '04 ARG team. Motion, lots of screens and back-cuts, really beautiful to watch.
"really beautiful to watch"
and a of a lot more fun, satisfying to play, for the whole team.
Gold in Athens... the big 3 will all be in the hall
parker is a shoe-in, manu will get in as well (olympics, euroleague skins and a vital part of the big three). injuries skewed his all-star appearances (which is the most overrated stat of all being that a portion of it is based upon the fans' votes).
^^^Agreed. All three of our big three are locks, imo.
Gino for his entire body of work, Tim for the GOAT, and Tony because he is already a lock and has maybe 4-5 more years to play.
If Mitch Richmond, saurunas, and Zo made the cut, there is no question Manu and Tony will. Lol "debate"
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