ESPN Insider Request: ESPN debating Manu in HOF

[Seventyniner]

Manu is 1st ballot HoF and doesn't care about his stats. Why do you?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This basically says it all.

Many would say Bosh is going to be a HOF. But if you look at his 36 mpg stats once he became the 3rd fiddle on a championship team, they are worse than Manu's. Problem with Manu is that he played Int'l BB every year he was with the Spurs until last year and this year. This imo led to a lot of injuries throughout his career that effected his seasonal play with the Spurs and why Pop rested him so much throughout the season. But come playoff time, Manu was the mano for the Spurs.

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[superbigtime]

Joe Johnson is not a hall of famer. I mean seriously.

[Skull-1]

You're right. I just looked it up. I had it backwards must be getting old...

Don't feel bad. They called him BOB in the 22 Jump Street NBA commercials and he let it slide.

[ambchang]

Manu is a 1st ballot HoF for sure, there is no reason for him not to be one, considering both his NBA and international accomplishments.

Parker has a stronger case with NBA accomplishments, but his international accomplishments doesn't compare to Manu's.

Bowen had the same role as Cooper, and Cooper didn't get in, so Bowen is not in there for me (and he shouldn't be).

Horry is about one of the most unique players in the history of the league, but he has never been a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 4th option on a championship winning team. He freelances, picks his spots, and nail huge shots throughout his career, like a John Paxon or a Steve Kerr on steroids who can defend and rebound, but he is a role player through and through, and no role players ever made the HoF (except those Celtics payers). He had no stats, no all star games, no all-nba teams, doesn't crack top 50 all time in anything, and the only individual accolade he ever had was making the All-Rookie 2nd team, so no, he shouldn't make it.

[Galileo]

Manu is a lock. This 25% BS is just that Bull . Manu has Euro championships, Italian league championships, 4 NBA les, a World Championship, an Olympic championship, Euro league MVP, Italian league MVP, NBA all-star. NBA 6th man, etc etc.

Throw out the Argentine play, he'd still make it in base on his Euro/Italian league and NBA play. The guy is a winner. Anyone who watches basketball knows the reason he has not scored a lot of points is because of Parker. That is why Manu's player rating blows Parker's out of the water. One for years was a ballhog until very recently, and the other was the consummate team player his whole career.

Manu also has the highest regular season winning percentage of all time, in games he played the Spurs won 578, lost only 217. That projects to an AVERAGE season of 60 wins over 10 seasons.

His playoff W/L is also among the best 117 wins, 63 losses. To compare, Jordan was 119 wins, 60 losses in playoffs.

[Galileo]

* Manu also received 5 of 12 votes for 2005 NBA Finals MVP.

[spurraider21]

I'd put Horry in the hall before Bruce. i think what got what he deserved. Retired his jersey in San Antonio, but no HOF

[BillMc]

Manu will be in the hall for this game alone. (And I haven't watched this in 10 years. Interesting to see the American rotations, etc. RJ getting more time than Lebron. Of course LBJ was like 19. Manu and D-wade going at it when they were young, just like how they've gone at it as old men the last 2 years.)

[Ginobili3]

b-r.com, they have Shawn Marion, Westbrook and Amare ahead of Manu when it comes to HoF probability. Wtf.

[ElNono]

b-r.com, they have Shawn Marion, Westbrook and Amare ahead of Manu when it comes to HoF probability. Wtf.

IIRC, they calculate it based on NBA stats... international accolades are not included, thus the discrepancy...

[Ginobili3]

IIRC, they calculate it based on NBA stats... international accolades are not included, thus the discrepancy...

Ah I see. All-Star appearances mean that much though? Hard to believe

[BillMc]

I have a hard time believing Marion is even really a contender to the HOF. That said, I haven't read the article.

[Kidd K]

I do think a Vince Carter discussion would be interesting... he is/was an iconic player for the league, but is he HoF worthy?

If NBA HOF had MLB HOF standards, I would say no, he doesn't make it. But. . .it's the NBA HOF. The standards are definitely a lot lower, so pretty much any well-known player is going to get in. Maybe not first shot, but they're getting in.

NBA HOF almost needs tiers to it so they stop mentioning people like Vince Carter with Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain.

[Raven]

"Weighing candidacies of Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, others on the Hall bubble"


Do we think Vince Carter is a hall of fame player?

No.

[polandprzem]

I do think a Vince Carter discussion would be interesting... he is/was an iconic player for the league, but is he HoF worthy?

What carter did in his career to claim the HOF?

[ElNono]

What carter did in his career to claim the HOF?

Rook of the year, 8x All Star, 1 Olympic gold medal... that's about it. He hold several franchise records on the Nets. He also scored 51 points twice in his career.

Not a lot to go on, but he was a very marketable 'star' in a league that has always been desperate to hype individual talent.

[ElNono]

If NBA HOF had MLB HOF standards, I would say no, he doesn't make it. But. . .it's the NBA HOF. The standards are definitely a lot lower, so pretty much any well-known player is going to get in. Maybe not first shot, but they're getting in.

NBA HOF almost needs tiers to it so they stop mentioning people like Vince Carter with Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain.

I think that's what the 'first ballot' distinction is. It's also the Basketball HOF, not the NBA HOF. That's why it's not just NBA accolades that count.

[Dex]

Rook of the year, 8x All Star, 1 Olympic gold medal... that's about it. He hold several franchise records on the Nets. He also scored 51 points twice in his career.

Not a lot to go on, but he was a very marketable 'star' in a league that has always been desperate to hype individual talent.

If they could just enshrine that Dunk Contest performance, tbh.

[Seventyniner]

If they could just enshrine that Dunk Contest performance, tbh.

It is the Hall of Fame after all, and Vince was one of the most famous players in the world for a good amount of time.