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    He set a bar, well, he egged Media on to set a bar for him. If now he can't meet that self mandated bar then that's on him. Across the last two Junes James got caught got tiptoeing. I don't need Media not to tell me that for it not to be true. It's true.
    Yeah, but James would have to be a contortionist to get under Curry's bar. That's the difference.

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    You brought them up in a discussion about Curry so I'm guessing you would want them.
    yep I would take both on the Lakers ... but not at max money ... I dont want curry either, at max money. Durant and Lebron? Yes, indeed.

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    It's not like it's cherry-picked. Curry has never figured Green out. That 3-19 was over three games BEFORE he got hurt. James can have an off-shooting night here or there like everyone else. But there isn't a single player out there who can shut him down. Curry being a guard who's at best average at driving to the rim makes him a much easier guard for good defensive teams.

    The Spurs didn't even have to game-plan to stop Curry. They just put Green on him and played the rest of the Warriors players straight up. In contrast, they defended James with at least another player constantly shadowing him.
    to be clear not saying that Lebron has a 3 for 19 but in the Finals alone you can find games where he shot far less than 50%. And Lebron and curry both get plenty of defensive attention. Yes they put Green on Curry but if you could not see that they were hedging hard on pnr I dont know what to tell you . Green is agreat defender even gave Lebron trouble "in spots" but if left 1 on 1 no help he is not stopping curry either ...

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    to be clear not saying that Lebron has a 3 for 19 but in the Finals alone you can find games where he shot far less than 50%. And Lebron and curry both get plenty of defensive attention. Yes they put Green on Curry but if you could not see that they were hedging hard on pnr I dont know what to tell you . Green is agreat defender even gave Lebron trouble "in spots" but if left 1 on 1 no help he is not stopping curry either ...
    Curry doesn't beat people off the dribble. He's not an iso threat inside the arc. So it would make no sense to shade your coverage to his side. You're right that the Spurs bigs (who weren't Duncan) hedged hard on the PnR, but Curry's hardly the only player who got that treatment. The team did the same thing against Ellis this past playoffs. They did the same to OKC's guards in the WCF before Ibaka came back.

    I'm not saying that Curry sucks. Danny Green is about the best guard-defender in the league. He's stopped better players than Curry. But the fact remains that there are plenty of offensive players whom I'd take over Curry, primarily because they force double-teams. Al Jefferson, Z-Bo, Dirk, Melo, James, Durant, Love, Westbrook, and Griffin are players I take over Steph in a heart-beat. Then there's the next tier of players like Lillard, Harden, Paul, Parker, Bosh, Aldridge, Pekovich and Lopez who are right about the same level as Curry is. Great player to have on a team, but I think he's a poor offensive foundation.

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    A case can be made for players like durant or Curry being better than Lebron on offense depending on if you value shooting more than driving. I'd rather have Lebron he is by far the best passer of the three but I dont get why yall act like it's not debtable. Stop being Lebron dyckriders. he is by far the best player because there are two ends of the court, on offense Curry and Durant have a case ...Lebron is a far better post player even with his limited post moves.
    Agreed. I don't think people realize how lethal a shooter like Curry can be. I'm no LeBron hater by any means but I feel like Curry can go off for 40 whenever he feels like it, and doesn't have to smash through defenders to do so. LeBron has become a great shooter but Curry is simply on another level, high volume 44% three point shooters are slightly rare.

    Even if it was just offense, I'd take LeBron because he's more dynamic, but if I absolutely needed a 40+ point game from someone I might go with Curry and just give him the green light all game.

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    Yeah no...a shooting specialist cannot be a better offensive player than a master-of-all-trades such as Lebron. Not possible.

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    Lebron was an offensive machine in the Finals... can't possibly think he could've done more. It just so happens his teammates looked like Cavs circa 2007, and the Spurs were hitting on all cylinders...

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    Yeah no...a shooting specialist cannot be a better offensive player than a master-of-all-trades such as Lebron. Not possible.
    3 years ago you could have made the argument pretty convincing, but since then LeBron has also become one of the best shooters in basketball. So yeah. LeBron might be the most complete offensive player in NBA history, even over Jordan.

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    Yeah, but James would have to be a contortionist to get under Curry's bar. That's the difference.
    James had his chance the past two Junes. Regardless of the pablum Media insists on feeding us he ain't passed muster in my estimation.

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    3 years ago you could have made the argument pretty convincing, but since then LeBron has also become one of the best shooters in basketball. So yeah. LeBron might be the most complete offensive player in NBA history, even over Jordan.
    "Since then"---he's rung due to the royal up by your people and had his rearranged by the same damn bunch 12 months later. I ain't buyin' what Media is selling.

    No.

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    "Since then"---he's rung due to the royal up by your people and had his rearranged by the same damn bunch 12 months later. I ain't buyin' what Media is selling.

    No.
    It's not surprising with Laker flair that you think basketball is a one man sport. If only, Thread, if only.

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    Lebron was an offensive machine in the Finals... can't possibly think he could've done more. It just so happens his teammates looked like Cavs circa 2007, and the Spurs were hitting on all cylinders...
    WERD...2014 Miami LeBrons = 2007 Cleveland LeBrons

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    Warriors are done without Mark Jackson,,, that team was before he arrived and will be again. Curry will fade.

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    Curry is one of the best offensive players in the league. If it was just a shooting contest, he'd win every year. Since it includes defense and passing without turning the ball over, or decision making without throwing the ball over the backboard, I pick LeCramp.

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    "Since then"---he's rung due to the royal up by your people and had his rearranged by the same damn bunch 12 months later. I ain't buyin' what Media is selling.

    No.
    Your superteam had a chance.








    Ok not really.

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    It'll be really interesting to see Curry in a non-ISO system this season, tbh..

    He's never going to be a dominant player due to his relatively weak game in the paint/at the rim, but I'm curious to see how he looks in a system that emphasizes ball movement, unlike the Jackson system..

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    It'll be really interesting to see Curry in short pants and saddle shoes.
    I'll just bet you would.

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    The Great Satan's offensive game is flawed considering half the time he gets away with offensive fouls. If you take away the offensive fouls than Curry is easily a better score than the Great Satan.

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    Lebron went away from his post game in the last POs tbh, I completely give the edge to Curry, Lebron is only a monster if he's willing to post his man cause then nobody can defend him...

    Lebron doesn't play real D nor bang in the post anymore, it's very worrying imo...

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    A case can be made for players like durant or Curry being better than Lebron on offense depending on if you value shooting more than driving. I'd rather have Lebron he is by far the best passer of the three but I dont get why yall act like it's not debtable. Stop being Lebron dyckriders. he is by far the best player because there are two ends of the court, on offense Curry and Durant have a case ...Lebron is a far better post player even with his limited post moves.
    No curry does not have a case. LeBron is the best at driving and more efficient shooting jumpers. And also a better passer. There is no debate. And better in the post.
    According to the article, that's not true if you look at the stats.

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    According to the article, that's not true if you look at the stats.
    I agree on the jumpers.
    Curry is also an underrated passer but is also a PG.
    If you watch them play Lebron can make passes across court with just the right pace to beat a defense but not so hard the shooter cannot catch in rythmn that very few players in the history of the NBA can make. Outside of his size/speed ratio that is the most amazing thing about Lebron. As someone else posted he did not post up much in the playoffs and his defense has been overrated for a while now. He is still quite capable of high level defense and dominating but rudimentary post play but we did not see enough of it. Yes, his team-mates failed him and yes he still put up great stats but he should have done more in those finals. I just think he was worn down...and despite that on paper he had a damn good series.

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    Well, LeBron has averaged 30+PPG in this league before he had a jumper. Really, he could do it again if he wanted to (but probably be less efficient than he is now).

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    The Great Satan's offensive game is flawed considering half the time he gets away with offensive fouls. If you take away the offensive fouls than Curry is easily a better score than the Great Satan.
    Koballah


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    I agree on the jumpers.
    Curry is also an underrated passer but is also a PG.
    If you watch them play Lebron can make passes across court with just the right pace to beat a defense but not so hard the shooter cannot catch in rythmn that very few players in the history of the NBA can make. Outside of his size/speed ratio that is the most amazing thing about Lebron. As someone else posted he did not post up much in the playoffs and his defense has been overrated for a while now. He is still quite capable of high level defense and dominating but rudimentary post play but we did not see enough of it. Yes, his team-mates failed him and yes he still put up great stats but he should have done more in those finals. I just think he was worn down...and despite that on paper he had a damn good series.
    You derailed son. I was just noting that the article says that Curry has a higer apg and a better assist to TO ratio, so the whole "better passer" thing is at least debatable.

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    I agree on the jumpers.
    Curry is also an underrated passer but is also a PG.
    If you watch them play Lebron can make passes across court with just the right pace to beat a defense but not so hard the shooter cannot catch in rythmn that very few players in the history of the NBA can make. Outside of his size/speed ratio that is the most amazing thing about Lebron. As someone else posted he did not post up much in the playoffs and his defense has been overrated for a while now. He is still quite capable of high level defense and dominating but rudimentary post play but we did not see enough of it. Yes, his team-mates failed him and yes he still put up great stats but he should have done more in those finals. I just think he was worn down...and despite that on paper he had a damn good series.
    He's not underrated by the opponent, who he's often passing to.

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