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    I'm not a fan of hers, but you can never underestimate the GOP ability to pick terrible candidates.
    And the media's ability to make them 1000 times worse than they are.

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    And the media's ability to make them 1000 times worse than they are.
    Oh yeah.

    The media, like Rush Limbaugh.

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    Oh yeah.

    The media, like Rush Limbaugh.
    No like the fake Sarah Palin quotes and the bul made over nothing with Romney.

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    If the left in this country has moved further left, then I guess it would appear (to them) that the the GOP has moved further right. But have they?
    I don't think Hillary was much to the left to begin with, but if you can't tell the difference between the McCain of yesteryear with the Ted Cruz of today, as far as moving further right, I don't know what to tell you.

    That said, I won't disagree that demographics in general have been gravitating from the right to at least the center in the past few decades... which is why it makes no sense for the left to go further left or the right go further right, IMO.

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    No like the fake Sarah Palin quotes and the bul made over nothing with Romney.
    Sarah Palin was asked what she read to keep up with the world. She basically had no answer. I watched that and it was NOT Saturday Night Live.

    Mitt pulled his 47% BS when he knows part of federal taxes are removed via payroll. He tried to tell cons uents that people were NOT paying taxes. It's basically a blatant misrepresentation of people that don't have investment income. In other words, they are not all that wealthy. That's just stupid.

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    If the left in this country has moved further left, then I guess it would appear (to them) that the the GOP has moved further right. But have they?
    Maybe California will slide off into the ocean!

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    Sarah Palin was asked what she read to keep up with the world. She basically had no answer. I watched that and it was NOT Saturday Night Live.

    Mitt pulled his 47% BS when he knows part of federal taxes are removed via payroll. He tried to tell cons uents that people were NOT paying taxes. It's basically a blatant misrepresentation of people that don't have investment income. In other words, they are not all that wealthy. That's just stupid.
    I believe McCain would have been just as bad as Obama, but Palin was not the reason(I don't think she should be president either though)

    And with Mitt, I was thinking of stuff more like sesame street and "binders full of women". I guess it isn't necessarily the media just stupid people spouting bull .

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    Maybe California will slide off into the ocean!
    Meaning I could move to Arizona and still be near the ocean? Sweet.

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    Maybe California will slide off into the ocean!
    Maybe Texas, my home state, will become part of Mexico.

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    Palin was a terrible pick, rushed and unprepared. Just a bad choice.

    I thought Mitt would win until he got caught secretly talking how he really felt about "the 47%". Then Todd Akin delivered the final blow with the "legitimate rape" talk. I still can't believe how red team blew that election.

    None of those things have anything to do with the media. Fox News will gladly go to bat for any GOP candidate, anyways, and the reality is it's largely the same media that was there when Bush Sr and Bush Jr won their elections...

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    CC is good people, tbh... after being to Texas many times, I understand why there's such a disconnect in certain topics, not really his fault. It's like a different world out there.

    But he isn't unreasonable... despite bleeding red

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    Palin was a terrible pick, rushed and unprepared. Just a bad choice.

    I thought Mitt would win until he got caught secretly talking how he really felt about "the 47%". Then Todd Akin delivered the final blow with the "legitimate rape" talk. I still can't believe how red team blew that election.

    None of those things have anything to do with the media. Fox News will gladly go to bat for any GOP candidate, anyways, and the reality is it's largely the same media that was there when Bush Sr and Bush Jr won their elections...
    Romney ed himself picking Ryan. All he had to do was pretend to be a centrist, like when Obama pretends to be liberal during elections.

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    Romney ed himself picking Ryan. All he had to do was pretend to be a centrist, like when Obama pretends to be liberal during elections.
    I thought Sloppy Joe would offset the Ryan pick, tbh... Mitt made a lot of mistakes... like I said earlier, who talks about "self-deportation" and think it's appealing to hispanics? No wonder 70% of hispanics voted for HNIC...

    The GOP better get their together before the next few elections. I mean, Barry is basically handing them Congress and the WH in a silver platter.

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    The GOP better get their together before the next few elections. I mean, Barry is basically handing them Congress and the WH in a silver platter.
    They can't get their together. If they don't go full wingnut in their safe red districts they get primaried.

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    Romney ed himself picking Ryan. All he had to do was pretend to be a centrist, like when Obama pretends to be liberal during elections.
    So true. Romney picked a guy who had a plan to change social security which freaked out all the old retired people. Romney picked a guy from Wisconsin instead of a guy from an important swing state like Rubio or Portman to maybe help bring in Florida or Ohio. Total fail.

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    CC is good people, tbh... after being to Texas many times, I understand why there's such a disconnect in certain topics, not really his fault. It's like a different world out there.

    This imo is a very important point that some will never grasp.

    Just take a trip to Wyoming and then fly to NYC. Spend some time living how they live.
    In Wyoming many are out there all on their own, spread thin. Very self sufficient and resourceful while relying on themselves.
    NYC you have people living on top of each other. Their world requires some sort of cooperation between people. I could go on.

    Its such a different world these folks live in. So yep, the disconnect is huge.

    Your point is really not stressed enough. Some relatives that rarely get out of Western Pennsylvania come down to San Antonio and ask me where did all the Puerto Ricans come from? Then ask me who my favorite Nascar driver is? They are not bad people, just need to get out the house. NASCAR driver, MY favorite... Holy Monkey they did not know me... or San Antonio.

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    PI thought Mitt would win until he got caught secretly talking how he really felt about "the 47%". Then Todd Akin delivered the final blow with the "legitimate rape" talk. I still can't believe how red team blew that election.
    they put too much trust in their advisors, same thing happened to McCain. botched the financial crisis, took a brief, feckless sabbatical from campaigning to ponder it. you didn't really see John McCain the man in 2008 until his concession speech. that guy, in that moment, impressed me.

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    much more so than Obama's tired, robotic victory speech, I thought.

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    they put too much trust in their advisors, same thing happened to McCain. botched the financial crisis, took a brief, feckless sabbatical from campaigning to ponder it. you didn't really see John McCain the man in 2008 until his concession speech. that guy, in that moment, impressed me.
    Well, I think that's part of what the tea party crowd is trying to change. There are primaries, but it felt like Romney was basically driven right through by the party machine. Which is the same machine that eventually runs the campaign... It probably does take a person a of a lot of character to veer off the script the campaign draws up for you, based on polls, focus groups, etc... ultimately, in this day and age, it's hard to argue it's just a glorified popularity contest. The marketing, image and delivery probably has as much, if not more weight than the content. Unfortunately so.

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    They are not bad people, just need to get out the house.
    The very same could be said of many posters following this thread, me included.

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    I think reading up a bit of every flavor gives you a better pulse for what's going on. You don't really need to "get out of the house" to do that. I make it a habit to read from a lot of different places: NY Times, LA Times, Politico, Redstate, BBC, The Telegraph, some ARG newspapers, etc... some international, some left, some right, some center, a good mix... you'll agree or not about some of the content, but at least you get a better idea of where the arguments are coming from...

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    like with wine. I like variety. good wine comes from all over.

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    much more so than Obama's tired, robotic victory speech, I thought.
    Obama is not nearly as robotic as Hillary' Secy of State, etc speech making. cold, unbelieving, boilerplate, safe, non-committal, say-nothing-ness gobbledygook.

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    I think reading up a bit of every flavor gives you a better pulse for what's going on. You don't really need to "get out of the house" to do that. I make it a habit to read from a lot of different places: NY Times, LA Times, Politico, Redstate, BBC, The Telegraph, some ARG newspapers, etc... some international, some left, some right, some center, a good mix... you'll agree or not about some of the content, but at least you get a better idea of where the arguments are coming from...
    There is nothing like being there imo.

    I get a real feel for people because of work travel. You see that they live so differently.
    I had just been to WY and NYC and it made such a huge cultural impression, again.
    The reading is my staple for the inability to experience every situation. And stats.

    And some people only read what they want to confirm their preconceived notions.

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    And some people only read what they want to confirm their preconceived notions.
    I noticed this to be a big culprit generally... the reality though is that it's difficult for a lot of people that have been indoctrinated growing up one way or another, to try to place themselves as mere spectators, without a heavy emotional stake.

    Whether that's a "bad" thing or not, it doesn't really matter, IMO, it's just the reality of the situation. But I think it also goes a long way towards why some people are eventually "surprised" when elections don't go the way they think they should go.

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