A misconception
Dirk did get overrated a bit and his Finals were far from perfect. However he did shoot the ball at a success rate I had not "felt" since Bird. Meaning when LArry Legend let it fly no matter what the stats "say" I almost always thought his was going in. dirk in 2011 was the closest thing to 1984-1986 Bird (shooting only) that I can recall. And he was not bad in the finals just not as awesome as the earlier rounds.
Yeah he was blazing hot against the Lakers and OKC but was a bit disappointing against Miami. People talk about Dirk in 2011 as if it was one of the greatest playoff run when in reality it was a bit short of that in the Finals.
But then Manu got injured and everyone realized that we relied on an old man dice and a declining Duncan (ironically) as our frontcourt. And then, Richard Jefferson.
^Oh and we also had Bonner as our 1st big off the bench, followed by Blair and............ Splitter.
Dirk didn't play in the finals like he did vs. LA or OKC, but he still averaged over 10 points in the 4th quarters, the time when it really mattered.
Lol, that is just wrong. What did Dirk when he played vs. Denver in 2009 as during the series his back-then girlfriend turned out to be a fraud? He dropped 34.4/11.6/4.0 on 53/39/92. So, stop trying to use this crap as an excuse for Pau. Pau the bed and struggled offensively and defensively, mainly against Dirk.The '13 Heat tired themselves out in the regular season with that streak. They weren't even close to being that dominant in the postseason. The '12 Heat were like the '14 Spurs in that once they flipped the switch (Lebron's game vs the Celtics and the Spurs G7 vs the Mavs)--it was over.
And it was more like Ray Allen over Mike Miller--not James Jones. Allen supplanted Miller as their end of the game sharpshooter when they went to a PGless offense. Birdman was a big upgrade--but that's still just a depth move. Joel Anthony didn't close games in '12. Bosh did at center.
And I don't care at all about Dwyane Wade's offensive numbers at this point tbh. That's just a luxury. He played exceptional D during the '12 run. Defensively he wasn't anything special in '13--and was a s in '14. The Heat lost to the Spurs because of their horrible D, not because of any offensive deficiencies. So I'd much rather have a lockdown defender in '12 Wade and Shane Battier's better D in '12 over the difference between Miller/Allen and Birdman/Anthony. (And i guess Lebron's 3 point shooting)
As for the Mavs, that LA team they beat was a joke. That whole season was filled with
every time they'd up games. They were diverse compe ion in that they had 2 7 footers that could kinda score + Odom--yeah, but let's not act like they were the championship LA team or anything. MVPau was playing like dog that postseason and it wasn't because of Chandler or Dirk. It was hisbreakup with his girlfriend
As for the Thunder and Heat, I think they're better wins from their name value than from the teams they actually were. What those Mavs did was prove you can't win a ring in this league anymore by playing ty iso-ball/relying on transition baskets in the playoffs. They forced the Heat to go all out in getting 3 point shooters that offseason so they wouldn't run into the same spacing issues again. (and it should go without saying that the 11' Heat and the 12/13/14 Heat aren't even in the same stratosphere in either offensive or defensive systems)
So I don't think they're a bad championship team or anything--but I think the offensive system improvements with the modern Heat/Spurs offenses would be too much for them to handle.
You're either a troll or completely re ed. While I think that the 14 Spurs would likely win that matchup (they were too deep, a of a team), the 11 Mavs were much better than you think. Dirk played well in 2014 overall given his age (in the regular season, he didn't play that great in the playoffs though, that's for sure), but he was much, much better in 2011. I don't think that Splitter would be able to shut down 2011 Dirk, neither would be Diaw. The Spurs would win it as they were the better team, but to think that it would be an easy win series for the Spurs is downright delusional. Maybe you should switch your fandom and join Lakersground as you have already all the tools needed to be a successful poster over there (being completely delusional and beyond re ed).
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Disappointing ? wtf ?
what people are asking lately ? dude put 26 ppg, you add 10 rpg, he made 45 FTs during that serie at 100% and dominated fourth quarters... shhhh
He shot 45/46 (97.8 %), but that's just nitpicking
He shot 45/46 (97.8 %), but that's just nitpickingtrue... my bad
I dont know how one can be disappointed with Dirk's 2011 Finals performance tbh
You need to read. I said his performance in the Finals was disappointing in comparison to his hot streak agains the Lakers and OKC.
He shot 41% compared to 55% against OKC and 57% with the Lakers.
Not really. It doesn't even rank among the Top 20 best performance of all timeI dont know how one can be disappointed with Dirk's 2011 Finals performance tbh
No its notI dont know how one can be disappointed with Dirk's 2011 Finals performance tbh
Dirk shot a huge amount of his points at the line, particularly in Games 4,5 and 6. Nothing impressive about that.
The 2004 Pistons were a similar defense to the 2008 Celtics, but much worse offensively, so not sure where that's coming from..
so what ?
he also grabed 4 more rpg than agaisnt okc
your post does not make sense
name themNot really. It doesn't even rank among the Top 20 best performance of all time
converting them at a rate of .94 is pretty impressive tbhNo its not
Dirk shot a huge amount of his points at the line, particularly in Games 4,5 and 6. Nothing impressive about that.
Do your own research, it isn't hard to find.
You're arguing Dirk shooting 41% down from 57% isn't a disappointment does not make sense either.
Everyone expected him to continue his offensive barrage. Quite the opposite to be honest.
He's a career 89% FT shooter. A mark of .94 isn't really all that remarkable, especially during a course of 6 games.
Thanks for solidifying yourself as an idiotNot really. It doesn't even rank among the Top 20 best performance of all time
Do your own research, it isn't hard to find.
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