Evolution...?

[Shastafarian]

Who said anything about choosing?

You did.

They apply to me each and every day. God gave me the right to break them every day, that of course does not mean that I won't have to answer to him for breaking them. I just can't follow them today and not tomorrow.

It seems like you can do exactly that.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh no, I believe there will eventually be a resurrection. Yes, as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

So right now if you die you won't be resurrected?

[Shastafarian]

Because it doesn't say that in the Bible.

Then why not wait until you're on your deathbed to go for a swim? You foresee an end to your selfishness?

[RD2191]

You did.
It seems like you can do exactly that.

Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.

[SnakeBoy]

It seems like you can do exactly that.

He can...without consequence.

[Shastafarian]

Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.

I thought you didn't consider yourself a true christian

[RD2191]

So right now if you die you won't be resurrected?

Well Chump, that is a very hard question to answer. Remember that the Bible says that once a person has died they have paid for their sins. However, it is my understanding that once a person has heard about God/his laws/rules and refuse to follow them that person does not have a chance at being resurrected. This is just my understanding and I could be very wrong.

[RD2191]

I thought you didn't consider yourself a true christian

I don't. I do not follow Gods laws/am not baptized, therefore I do not call myself a Christian. Not even trying to troll but you have some serious reading comprehension skills.

[RD2191]

robdiaz holding his own tbh

Thanks man, hope all is well.

[ChumpDumper]

Well Chump, that is a very hard question to answer. Remember that the Bible says that once a person has died they have paid for their sins. However, it is my understanding that once a person has heard about God/his laws/rules and refuse to follow them that person does not have a chance at being resurrected. This is just my understanding and I could be very wrong.

So according to your current beliefs, you are risking being erased from existence by God because you prefer jerking off to porn and arguing on the internet and have chosen those, among other things, to following God's law.

Correct?

[RD2191]

So according to your current beliefs, you are risking being erased from existence by God because you prefer jerking off to porn and arguing on the internet and have chosen those, among other things, to following God's law.

Correct?

Sounds harsh but that is correct. I also do other things but yeah. If I were to die without ever repenting and getting baptized I would be gone forever.

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds harsh but that is correct. I also do other things but yeah. If I were to die without ever repenting and getting baptized I would be gone forever.

Well, you have your priorities.

[RD2191]

Getting baptized however also does not guarantee being saved. I could get baptized but if I keep sinning the way I was before then the baptism was obviously pointless and a lie to myself and God.

[mouse]

23 pages later and still no proof of Evolution

[RandomGuy]

you do realize that not every organism that dies leaves behind a preserved fossil right? only a very small percentage end up in a position that would lead to fossilization. those "failed" organisms who's mutations weren't beneficial (by nature of being failed) were not around for very long, at least compared to the more successful breeds. if you have a successful line of horses over a million years, you'll find some fossils. if you have a failed adaptation/version of horses that likely didn't last more than 5-6 generations, the chances of one of them fossilizing and being discovered now is much much smaller, just due to the time elapsed

Keep in mind he is copying and pasting arguments that have already been debunked for years, if not decades.

These tropes have been laboriously cataloged and simply responded to by people more familiar with the science and evidence.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

[RandomGuy]

moth is a moth, finch is a finch, yeah evolution

A moth is a moth, but one of the defining characteristics of a species is the ability to interbreed.

Some moths cannot interbreed with other species of moth. This happens for a variety of reasons.

You can start here by simply understanding what a species IS:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Go further with a few more examples:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
And more
http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html


Birds, fish, mammals, plants, bacteria, etc, etc. etc.

We are not going to observe the large kinds of morphological changes you think we need to in order to prove evolution, and we don't have to, in order for evolution to be true.

That speciation events are common enough for us to observe and catalog is sufficient, especially in conjunction with the other evidence. All one needs is time, and the full phylogeny we have today is fully explained.

[RandomGuy]

Not really, I'm not talking about what the experiments found, just about who or what caused them. It was obviously a man/woman behind it, they didn't just happen randomly for no reason at all.

Mutations happen randomly, and simple natural selection forces the rest. There is no evidence that any of this process was pushed along or guided by anything intelligent.

Quite frankly if that were the case, we would look a whole lot different.

[Shastafarian]

I don't. I do not follow Gods laws/am not baptized, therefore I do not call myself a Christian.

So then what stops you from choosing when to follow the laws?

Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.

You're not a christian so you can do (and I bet do) it. Right?

Not even trying to troll but you have some serious reading comprehension skills.

I think you have trouble with your own comprehension skills here.

[Shastafarian]

Mutations happen randomly, and simple natural selection forces the rest. There is no evidence that any of this process was pushed along or guided by anything intelligent.

Quite frankly if that were the case, we would look a whole lot different.

Quite frankly the giraffe's recurrent laryngeal nerve wouldn't be so long either. One of many observations that show how unintelligent evolution can be. Either that or god isn't too bright.

[Blake]

I do not believe a person goes to heaven when they die. And if I did I wouldn't serve God just to get into "heaven".

Then what's the point of you wanting to be a Christian?

[it's me]

So the bible freaks pick and choose continues, nothing new. Rigoberto all of a sudden believes he'll get "eternal life" if he does good... but he won't go to if he does bad.... no, of course not, he will just cease to exist how ing convenient.

[it's me]

Getting baptized however also does not guarantee being saved. I could get baptized but if I keep sinning the way I was before then the baptism was obviously pointless and a lie to myself and God.

Saved from what or who?

[it's me]

..... and @ not wanting to learn about thing you don't believe in. Funny indeed.

[Blake]

Well Chump, that is a very hard question to answer. Remember that the Bible says that once a person has died they have paid for their sins. However, it is my understanding that once a person has heard about God/his laws/rules and refuse to follow them that person does not have a chance at being resurrected. This is just my understanding and I could be very wrong.

So you don't believe in heaven, but you believe in reincarnation.

k, how many times have you been reincarnated?

[RandomGuy]

Oh no, I believe there will eventually be a resurrection. Yes, as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

So how do you know this?