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Not at all. It helped absolutely nothing. Arguably made things worse.
Why do you think they haven't officially said he broke the cop's face? What is to be gained by keeping that information secret?
Did you also find it su ious the DOJ advised them to not release the robbery video?
Not at all. It helped absolutely nothing. Arguably made things worse.
Why do you think they haven't officially said he broke the cop's face? What is to be gained by keeping that information secret?
agree that this whole thing has been bungled. imo, this is also being manipulated from the top, with the Feds and media not letting a crisis go to waste.
as for you saying the cop shouldn't have shot him, curious how officer Nono would have handled it, if your face just got bashed inward. I always presumed that if a cop has a gun pointed at you and warns you not to move, if you try to attack them or reach for a weapon, you're going to get shot. I thought this was common sense but apparently not based on all the disagreements.
if it turns out he shot the kid while his hands were up, then yes that would be ruthless and wrong.
Last edited by HI-FI; 08-20-2014 at 01:36 AM.
There's a lot we don't know yet (including the extent of the alleged injury to the officer), so it's difficult to give you a concise answer. When this started it was that "the kid was trying to grab the cop's gun" and "struggle through the car window". Then we learned (and this we know for a fact due to the autopsies) that the kid was actually shot from a relatively long distance. So now we get the tweaked story that the kid was lunging at the cop.
It's fairly clear that depending who you talk to and which "side" they've taken on this (if they have), that you're going to get all sorts of hypothesis.
My main concern based on what we know (that he was shot from a relatively long distance) is that the cop might have had non-lethal options, but decided instead to go to the last resort (for whatever reason, including but not limited to: kid is a thug, kid is black, kid is too big, I'm scared of this dude, how he dare attacking me, ouch my face, etc). I'm concerned that any cop that might feel threatened, even by a completely unarmed person, can just decide to gun that person down and now has a get out of jail free card. Cops largely get the benefit of the doubt (you can see a lot of that in this very thread), but at some point there has to be a line they can't cross without some heavy accountability.
Maybe facts will show he was completely justified in what he did, and that's fine with me.
The real pisser here is that not only we don't know much due to the police taking a long ass time (apparently protecting their guy), now we get all this 'unnamed sources' from BOTH sides spreading bull , and that just makes me more skeptic. On a relatively clear cut case, you don't need to spread BS, the facts ultimately will back you up. This is compounded by the unsolicited release of the character assassination video. A video that I have no doubt has value in a potential trial, where character assassinations are commonplace, but only added fuel to the fire.
We know the cops and the current prosecutor will lie to defend their murderer and "convict" Brown, and eye witnesses, whose accounts have been shown to be variable, unreliable in studies, will probably lie to exonerate Brown and accuse the murderer.
IF the prosecutor even decides to empanel a grand jury, but he may see this as a possibility to inflate his obscure career, get lotsa teevee facetime, etc, knowing his boys of the Blue Wall will lie to protect their own.
(REPUG) Missouri lt. gov.: We need ‘Anglo-American’ justice in Ferguson, not racial protests
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/1...cial-protests/
If only, as in MO's Aiken's rape caucus, the Anglo-Americans could just shut down their vaginas and flush all these Afro-Americans down the toilet.
what happened in Iceland when a cop shot a civilian:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-0...me-its-history"The nation was in shock. This does not happen in our country," said Thora Arnorsdottir, news editor at RUV, the Icelandic National Broadcasting Service.
She was referring to a 59-year old man who was shot by police on Monday. The man, who started shooting at police when they entered his building, had a history of mental illness.
It's the first time someone has been killed by armed police in Iceland since it became an independent republic in 1944. Police don't even carry weapons, usually. Violent crime in Iceland is almost non-existent.
"The nation does not want its police force to carry weapons because it's dangerous, it's threatening," Arnorsdottir says. "It's a part of the culture. Guns are used to go hunting as a sport, but you never see a gun."
In fact, Iceland isn't anti-gun. In terms of per-capita gun ownership, Iceland ranks 15th in the world. Still, this incident was so rare that neighbors of the man shot were comparing the shooting to a scene from an American film.
The Icelandic police department said officers involved will go through grief counseling. And the police department has already apologized to the family of the man who died — though not necessarily because they did anything wrong.
"I think it's respectful," Arnorsdottir says, "because no one wants to take another person's life. "
Ethnic groups
93% Icelandic, 7.0% other
Religions
As of 2002: Lutheran 87.1%, Protestant 4.1%, Roman Catholic 1.7% and other 7.1%
Racially and religiously uniform. Surely it can't be as simple as that.
I suspect there's not a lot of murder, rape, and "knock out game" going on over there either.
The vast majority are Atheists.
So when you deed, you deed.
No square dancing with angels is a frightening prospect.
No black people, no violent crime. How simpleminded.
I would honestly guess its cultural. They did not have wars for independence, conquer vast territory ruled by hostile natives, or have an extremely violent civil war. We are used to death by gun. Very used to it. It so nice and clean on all our TV programs.
We have the Wild West going on in crowded places, it's quite silly really.
I just said there was probably less violent crime and you jumped to this conclusion.
Where are you getting this information?
liar.
"knock out game" is a dog whistle and you know it. you're like a walking dog whistle for racism. trying to conceal it under threadbare excuses only accentuates it, tbh.
Ah, the "dog whistles".
dog whistle?
Hackensack cops seek ‘knockout game’ suspect after three assaults
AUGUST 19, 2014, 5:58 PM LAST UPDATED: TUESDAY, AUGUST 19, 2014, 11:31 PM
BY STEFANIE DAZIO AND ABBOTT KOLOFF
STAFF WRITERS
THE RECORD
Hackensack residents were warned to be alert as police hunted for a man who randomly approached and punched three others Monday night in what may be the first local incidents of “the knockout game.” The activity has resulted in one North Jersey death and plagued urban areas nationwide.
The three separate, sudden assaults took place within 15 minutes and involved the same man, who appeared to be acting alone, police said.
The knockout game typically involves a strolling group, with one person suddenly punching a passer-by and another recording video to display on a social media site. “Someone just walks up and cold- s someone in the face totally unannounced, totally unprovoked,” city police Capt. Thomas Salcedo said while detailing the local incidents.
He said that the assailant was described as a 6-foot-tall or taller black man with an athletic build who was wearing a black V-neck short-sleeved T-shirt, black pants and a Brooklyn Nets cap. The incidents all took place in the areas of Essex Street, Summit Avenue and Beech Street, Salcedo said, and the victims were two men in their 50s and another in his 20s. None of the men was seriously injured.
The knockout game’s notoriety and base violence led almost a dozen state lawmakers to sponsor five bills late last year to toughen penalties for people who play it. In response to those initiatives, which are still pending, the State Police and the state Attorney General’s Office said they have not seen the violent game as a growing problem in New Jersey.
A 14-year-old was sentenced last week to six years in a juvenile detention center for punching a 46-year-old homeless man in Hoboken last year. The man died. The 14-year-old had been among three teenagers who approached the man; the other two teens received probation.
Assemblyman Gordon Johnson, D-Englewood, the sponsor of one of the proposed laws aimed at the knockout game, said Tuesday night the legislation would help stop the game from becoming a trend in the state.
“I thought it best to get ahead of the trend,” Johnson said. “I’m not going to wait for a pattern in New Jersey. It’s definitely a trend in the tri-state area. It is a problem that has to be addressed properly.”
The Hackensack incidents don’t indicate that the game has taken root in North Jersey, he said, but he added that his bill might have made the assailant think twice before throwing a punch. It would create a second-degree offense called “aggravated assault for loss of consciousness” that carries a sentence of up to 10 years in prison and a maximum fine of $150,000. Currently, knocking someone unconscious would be charged as third-degree aggravated assault, with a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a fine of up to $15,000.
Police said the first victim Monday night, a 54-year-old East Orange man, was punched in the face and fell in the Simon’s Market parking lot on Essex Street at 10:35 p.m. Salcedo said the man sustained a large facial cut, but that police don’t know if it was from the punch or the fall.
About 10 minutes later, the assailant ran up behind a 57-year-old city man at Summit Avenue and Beech Street and punched him from behind, hitting him on the right side of his face and jaw, Salcedo said.
Just 100 feet from that spot and three minutes later, the suspect approached a 27-year-old city man and asked for directions, Salcedo said. While the victim looked at his phone, the man punched him “square in the face.”
He said police are reviewing video surveillance from the area and are advising the public to be vigilant and walk in well-lit areas. Anyone with information was asked to call the city police at 201-646-7777.
- See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/news/hack....Huy8Dizv.dpuf
birds of a feather
Just didn't understand the dog whistle comment. It's real, it is happening...that is current news.
Missouri GOP Outraged About Voter Registration Booths In Ferguson
From The New Civil Rights Movement:
In an interview with Breitbart News, Missouri RNC executive director Matt Wills expressed outrage about the reports of voter registration booths popping up in Ferguson, Breitbart reports.“If that’s not fanning the political flames, I don’t know what is,” Wills said, “I think it’s not only disgusting but completely inappropriate.”
Wills explained that the shooting death of Michael Brown was a tragedy for everyone.
“This is not just a tragedy for the African American community this is a tragedy for the Missouri community as well as the community of what we call America,” he said. “Injecting race into this conversation and into this tragedy,
The (far) right wing site, "Daily Caller," is also doing a bit of fear-mongering of its own. From the same article:
Liberal activists — including from the George Soros-funded Center for Cons utional Rights — have promoted voter registration booths at multiple locations in Ferguson, including at the roadside memorial marking the spot where Brown was shot.African-Americans are extremely under-represented in the racial makeup of elected officials and policemen in Ferguson. Salon gives us some of those statistics:
Ferguson is majority black, but the mayor is white, and five of the six city council members are white. For members of the community who feel their interests aren’t being represented, the first step towards changing that is registering to vote. Also, reportedly, only three of the 53 Ferguson police officers are Black.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...?detail=email#
American Family Association: Michael Brown 'tanked up' on pot, probably went 'berserk'
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...k?detail=email
Racist, rednecks, Repugs, tea baggers, right-wing hate machine, Spurs Talkers really having fun with criminalizing The Dead N!gg@
killer cops
The city council has no power over police. The mayor might. After all this I'd be shocked if they weren't all voted out.
That democrat governor who called out the national guard and imposed a curfew though...
This is how people respond to heavy handed police brutality in Switzerland.
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