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    Anybody want me to keep marching through the family tree of rattus?

    I found a bunch of wonderful fossil pictures, and read a bunch more about it.

    I guess, Avante, if you really wanted to know, you could have done the same thing. None of the stuff I found was hard to find, nor particularly difficult, I thought.

    Here is an interesting excerpt from a paper on early Muroidea
    http://link.springer.com/article/10....-0038-z#page-1

    YOu can find pictures of the fossils of early types of muroidea here, mentioned in the above study:
    http://www.authormapper.com/search.a...gy&size=20&P=2

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    Ah, you are trying for the "gotcha" moment concerning abiogenesis, which is different from evolution, per se.
    Nope

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    You're playing with semantics.

    "why" presupposes a purpose.

    If there's no purpose, there's no "why". Only "how".
    The question of why has been asked since the dawn of Man. You are pretending it hasn't and yet you take issue with me pointing it out. Why?

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    Why?

    There are lots of other books out there by God.

    Guru Granth Sahib



    How do you know you aren't making God angry by not following its teachings?

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    Anybody want me to keep marching through the family tree of rattus?
    no, I'm good. unless you're going to rank the "stages" by how fast they are.

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    Revelation 21 talks very clearly about heaven and .

    ....those two things you said you don't believe in.

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    My apologies.

    Why?

    It happened.

    Does life's origin need a reason?

    We exist because... we do. I'm fine with that.

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    Why?

    There are lots of other books out there by God.

    Guru Granth Sahib



    How do you know you aren't making God angry by not following its teachings?
    I really don't care if I am. I only believe in one God and that is the God of the Bible. If you want to know why then that is a very long answer. Basically prophecy, the laws it teaches, I believe in the principles, the overall message. Many reasons. Faith also of course.

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    The question of why has been asked since the dawn of Man. You are pretending it hasn't and yet you take issue with me pointing it out. Why?

    The only reason anyone asks why is because they believe in a creator.

    If you don't believe in a spaghetti monster, then there's no why.

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    My apologies.

    Why?

    It happened.

    Does life's origin need a reason?

    We exist because... we do. I'm fine with that.
    word

    "There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power or our will."

    Epictetus

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    I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.
    I don't pretend any question doesn't exist.

    Honestly "why" is a fun question. Atheists get to decide for themselves, "why".

    My answer to my own existence is to raise two wonderful, intelligent, curious, polite, and conscientious children, and to learn as much as possible about the world as I can. I would like to leave the world a better place than when I got here.

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    Revelation 21 talks very clearly about heaven and .

    ....those two things you said you don't believe in.
    What? Revelation 21 is talking about Gods new Kingdom that will be established. New heavens and a new earth.

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    The only reason anyone asks why is because they believe in a creator.

    If you don't believe in a spaghetti monster, then there's no why.
    Not necessarily.

    You get to decide why you live your life, and what you do with it. That becomes the "why".

    Why do you exist, in that sense? What do you want to do?

    Not saying you have to pick anything. "nothing really" is just as valid, I suppose, but I like to think that the most rewarding things in life is living for something outside your own limited, and brief existence. I think we need that, and that need is partly why people invented religions.

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    And I never said I did not believe in Heaven, I said I don't believe a person goes to heaven when they die.

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    I really don't care if I am. I only believe in one God and that is the God of the Bible. If you want to know why then that is a very long answer. Basically prophecy, the laws it teaches, I believe in the principles, the overall message. Many reasons. Faith also of course.
    Why the bible and nothing else? Why is the bible more valid than the prophecies of the Granth Sahib?

    How can you know that, if you have never read it?

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    And on that note... gotta go.

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    My apologies.

    Why?

    It happened.

    Does life's origin need a reason?

    We exist because... we do. I'm fine with that.
    So you are disregarding the question of why. I'm fine with that.

    Blake is doing the same thing but he doesn't want anyone to point it out.

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    So you are disregarding the question of why. I'm fine with that.

    Blake is also but he doesn't want anyone to point it out.
    I am not disregarding anything, but keep trying for the strawman, if it makes you happy.

    You will have to elucidate what specifically you want answered if you want an answer.

    Again, you are moving to the argument from ignorance, despite what you think you are doing.

    Flesh out your "why" and I will be happy to dissect it, and demonstrate that more clearly.

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    Why the bible and nothing else? Why is the bible more valid than the prophecies of the Granth Sahib?

    How can you know that, if you have never read it?
    I have no interest in reading it, as I said before, I am satisfied with the Bible and its teaching/message. If one day I am not, I will look elsewhere.

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    And I never said I did not believe in Heaven, I said I don't believe a person goes to heaven when they die.
    chore.

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    So you are disregarding the question of why. I'm fine with that.

    Blake is doing the same thing but he doesn't want anyone to point it out.
    Since you believe in God, answer why God exists

    And I thought I made it clear how I'm disregarding your question.
    Last edited by Blake; 08-20-2014 at 05:10 PM.

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    Since you believe in God, answer why God exists
    why does gravity exist?

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    Cause God's purpose is that we not fly off into outer space

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    I am not disregarding anything, but keep trying for the strawman, if it makes you happy.

    You will have to elucidate what specifically you want answered if you want an answer.

    Again, you are moving to the argument from ignorance, despite what you think you are doing.

    Flesh out your "why" and I will be happy to dissect it, and demonstrate that more clearly.
    I don't have to elucidate anything. Why is a question that exists. You must be pretending when you say there is no why? because clearly you have not only asked that question yourself but answered it for yourself (raising kids, improving the world yada yada).

    Although if you can answer my previous question about why it was advantageous for all higher forms of life to lose the ability to photosynthesize light, that would be cool. Higher organisms that retained the ability to be both autotrophic and heterotrophic should have a great advantage over those that are only heterotrophic, yet they don't exist.

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    Since you believe in God, answer why God exists
    I don't know, but it is a question. I won't pretend it isn't.

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