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Cotton would be his replacement.
If he signs in Europe, is like Ayon as the replacement
Cotton would be his replacement.
If Baynes leaves, Cotton's best case is they might keep him...right up to the cut deadline in early January. They'd roll for a few weeks with 14 roster spots, and then see what's available at the trade and buyout deadlines for spot #15.
Best case is they keep him. They need a third PG for 2015. Plus, I don't think the cutoff means much to the Spurs. They didn't let that stop them with Thomas last year.
They had actually planned to KEEP THomas, until Danny, Kawhi, and Manu went down in various combinations and overlaps for like 4 weeks. They cut Thomas to sign a wing player, first Jeffers, then DJ.
Cotton really isn't NBA caliber. I can see them wanting an emergency PG for 2 months, but keeping him as the 4th PG for the rest of the year isn't necessary, and there might be someone tasty out there at the buyout deadline. If they cut him in January before he guarantees, they won't have to pay him for the whole year like they would if they wait to the buyout deadline.
Then why cant tiago do it?
He plays 22 minutes a game.
Also, Baynes has greater offensive potential.
We pump Baynes' confidence up just another half notch and he'll start popping two or 3 of those 15-footers in per game.
All Baynes needs is time. Coming off a chip run and looking to play all the main guys as little as possible during reg season, Baynes should have ample opportunity.
Shooting =/= offense. Splitter is a FAR better offensive player, which is one of the reasons he plays and Aron sits. The other is that he's a FAR better defensive player.
I said potential. Baynes has a higher scoring ceiling. He can learn to play the P&R well.
I agree Splitter has him defensively, though. Tiago has actually proven to be deceptively quick laterally.
Exactly.
Even if they decide to look ahead to 2015 for a third PG, it's unlikely it'll be Cotton, who's too similar to Mills. I'd imagine they'll look for someone in the mold of Joseph.
As far as Baynes is concerned, it more than likely won't happen, but I'd strongly consider rescinding the qualifying offer. As I've said, they don't need four C's and seven bigs and even though I said I'd lead towards Baynes, if Ayres' turnover percentage returns to his career average next season, he's a slightly better player. Either way, I'd rather the flexibility that comes with having less than 15 guarantees.
Last edited by TD 21; 08-21-2014 at 06:25 PM.
Spurs bigs: Duncan, ter, Diaw. That's it.
Boner is completely done and only came back because management was nice enough to throw him a bone and let him retire with Manu and Timmy. Ayres is...lol. He's non existent. He didn't show anything in the regular season, which is why he was benched in the playoffs. He still didn't show anything against summer league scrubs either. Useless; but Pop has a love affair with him meaning he'll get minutes this season.
Daye is the same thing. Other than one game which half of spurstalk still es about, he's pathetic as well. Spurs don't need a 150 lb 6'10 guy who sometimes makes threes agains the worst team in the NBA.
If/When ter gets injured and Pop rests Duncan on back to backs, Spurs will be super thin with big men.
Ayres, Bonner, Daye. That's six (and even though they mostly went away from it last season, Leonard can play small ball PF). Sure, there's no fourth who's of rotation caliber, but Baynes isn't either. I don't get the bizarre obsession with him on this board.
If depth becomes an issue due to injuries, they can address it then. That's the whole point of having an open roster spot. By locking themselves into fifteen, they have to hope their questionable PG depth (only because of Mills' injury, of course) holds up.
Baynes issues are mainly three things:
- fouling which he improved significantly.
- shooting %. He is shooting very well for Australia.
- conditioning with limited minutes. steady playing time right now helps.
He is a complete defensive 5. He can actually get out and defend the pnr. He can extend out to double playside and recover. He can bang in the post. He can rotate and block shots at the rim. He is a good physical rebounder. He runs well and is athletic.
I can only find bits and pieces of the Ukraine game I am interested to see where his shooting from and routinely hitting 70% from the field.
FIBA ball is NOT NBA ball. Baynes has shown NO ability to show and recover on the NBA p'n'r. In the NBA world, he's a plodder.
If he was as good as you people say, SOMEONE in the NBA would have made him an offer by now. It's not like the Spurs have done a Phoenix and said "we'll match anything". I'm betting if someone offered him a multi year deal at $3M, they could have him. NO ONE HAS.
false- its impossible for him to be quick and have zero vertical. it actually defies several laws of physics and reactive strength fundamentals. You think he's fast, so he looks fast.
jesus christ. You make the same argument FOR the drafting of Kyle Anderson; slow = iq, his ceiling..... Baynes is a different defender than Tiago. Hes stronger and faster; he just needs time. ceiling wise he can be easily as good as tiago, he just needs to learn the gimmicks and tricks of the trade. And who is saying tiago is better on offense. I have never seen a weaker seven footer since Shawn Bradley.
He did all of those things in games last year. He is also proficient in switching and moving his feet down the lane to cut off penetration.
We don't know what if any offers he has or has not gotten. Not knowing does not mean that it hasn't happened.
As I said, I haven't been able to get the video of the FIBA stuff. I am just encouraged by the great shooting percentage even if it against lesser talent. This is no different in my view than sending a prospect down to a summer league and have him perform well.
There are several people on the roster that cannot say to have done as well.
Actually, we'd know immediately, because he'd have to sign an offer sheet, which would start the 72 hour clock. The Spurs would definitely announce that. Therefor, he has received no offers in the NBA.
He doesn't have to sign the offer sheet if one is extended. The Spurs could have very easily told him to go check out the market and let them match. They don't have to go through the ham handed league paperwork to force a showdown.
When the Spurs say "go check the market", they mean "bring us an offer sheet". There is no way for them to be sure of what another team really offered him without one. It's a legally binding do ent that means one of two teams will pay him that amount for that many years. Without an offer sheet, the Spurs will just sit on the QO. The ONLY thing that will get one nickel more out of the Spurs (or any team holding a player with a QO) is that "ham handed league paperwork".
The NBA isn't the only place that he could be getting offers from, tbh.
You can't equate a player's talent with his contract, because front offices make HUGE mistakes all the time. Or maybe Green sucks too because nobody wanted to sign him back when the Spurs cut him?
A player's worth is based on talent, of course, but also perception, fan appeal, immediate need of a team, availability of money... If I followed your train of thought then a player like Gordon Hayward should be the second coming of Michael Jordan.
On top of that, given the fact that nobody is going to offer Baynes a stupid amount of money, the Spurs saying "we'll match anything reasonable" is pretty much the same as them saying "we'll match anything", and the kiss of death for Baynes' hope on the NBA market.
It's still not a good idea to let him walk, not to lowball him (even worse when the difference between what he's going to get and what Ayres gets is pocket money).
I really want the Spurs to re-sign Baynes. Baynes actually can do the "dirty work" because he gives toughness. He's like our enforcer and Ayres is our cheerleader.
This. I hope he returns.
We have always needed a Maurice Lucas/Malone/Oakley type enforcer and even though Baynes isn't anywhere near that level he does project a toughness that we are certainly going to need every time we play Houston and OKC. I could care less if either Daye or Ayres stays but I sure hope Baynes takes the offer.
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