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I think solar has it's place, but I'd rather have my own solar to supplement CPS.
http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/sola...tural-gas.html
Each of the 4,000-acre facility's three units has gas-fired boilers used to warm up the fluid in the turbines in the early morning, to keep that fluid at an optimum temperature through the night, and to boost production during the day when the sun goes behind a cloud.I guess solar doesn't work by itself so well.Solar Partners says that in order for ISEGS to operate at full efficiency, the plant's gas-fired auxiliary boilers will need to run an average of 4.5 hours a day, rather than the one hour a day originally expected.
Billions of dollars wasted, where a natural gas plant would kill far less birds and be less costly.
I think solar has it's place, but I'd rather have my own solar to supplement CPS.
Yeah, on our roofs.
That's what I mean.
I'd love to build a home completely off the grid, but that's not easy to do. Solar alone won't cut it.
It's really just a cost of learning how to optimize the efficiency of a new technology. It's not unreasonable to anticipate such an amendment to operating licences from time to time.
That said, the Ivanpah project is impressive in scale, and even more impressive in person.
What do you think of this?
https://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_wil...ssion_reactors
lol Wild Cobra now cares about birds.
Sure it is, but will it ever have a cost advantage? When will we stop seeing increased costs?
Now on the good side, we see what advantages and disadvantages there are for future products.
I just see it as another engineering task that fails to live up to what was sold.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-20-2014 at 11:32 PM. Reason: spelling, "well" to "will"
Please give me a link where I implied any such thing?
I am one who mentioned the death of birds with solar and wind. But then, you never cared for the truth. You just like to be adversarial.
So you don't care about birds?
Why mention them?
Just say you said it for no reason whatsoever.
They need something to keep the system primed at night so therefor just scrap it?
No discussion of the amount of fossil fuel energy used as opposed to plant output. Typical WC dimwitted nonsense.
You are the dimwit if that's how you read it.
No, I said it because I don't like the bird deaths from solar and wind power plants.
Because you care about the birds!
Yawn...
many 100Ms of birds are killed by domestic and feral cats, and by buildings, every year.
but WC has to mention his hated renewable energy as bird killer
There is no real comparison being made here.
How much power is produced by the plant per day as opposed to the gas expenditure stated in the same units.
Your blogger stated things in all types of units including a walk through "a bit of natural gas industry jargon." The only actual comparison is from the gas used by this solar plant to "the amount a typical gas-fired power plant burns in its normal course of operations." Whatever the that is. It leaves out little details like what the output of the solar plant was as opposed to their arbitrary standard.
The article doesn't give you enough information to really make a judgment and then runs a bunch of gas industry jargon and assumptions.
I was curious do you have some more natural gas boiler brochures for us?
Was that my complaint?
My God.
Will your stupidity ever end?
You are pathetic to argue against points I don't make. I guess if that is the only way you can experience a win, OK.
You win. Now you can go home troll.
I just see it as another engineering task that fails to live up to what was sold.
ffs, that site is a front made to look like a rural tv network or the like when its just a propaganda front for who the knows what legal en y. The RNC has started using that type of too.
Is there a link to the story that isn't from something even more sketchy than the boutons posts? At least nakedcapitalism doesn't misrepresent itself.
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/04/152026...nergy-problems
These kind of talks scare me personally. You get an energetic personality in front of a lot of people who have no expertise in a cozy auditorium... It's got the Deepak Chopra feel to it. No talk about downsides or problems that need to be overcome.
They put makeup on the kid and hurray he just graduated HS. Got some excitement yet here is what we have to overcome. Bill Gates and, I know all about education because I'm smart. I tend to trust wise people. They have lived long enough to have met failure and realize there is very rarely a magic bullet for problems many people have thought about.
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I was discussing the article that you posted. Arguments you don't make? It's your link, dumb .
Workers at a state-of-the-art solar plant in the Mojave Desert have a name for birds that fly through the plant's concentrated sun rays — "streamers," for the smoke plume from birds that ignite in midair. Federal wildlife investigators who visited the BrightSource Energy plant last year reported an average of one "streamer" every two minutes.They’re urging California officials to halt the operator's application to build a still-bigger version until the extent of the deaths is assessed. Annual estimates range from a low of about a thousand by BrightSource to 28,000 by an expert for the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group.
BrightSource’s partners are NRG Solar of Carlsbad, California, and Google. The $2.2 billion plant, which launched in February, is at Ivanpah Dry Lake near the California-Nevada border. More than 300,000 mirrors reflect solar rays onto three boiler towers up to 40 stories high. Water inside is heated to produce steam, which turns turbines that generate enough electricity for 140,000 homes. The new plant would have towers up to 75 stories high. Federal wildlife officials said Ivanpah’s bright light might be attracting insects, which in turn attract insect-eating birds. But Ivanpah officials say at least some of the puffs of smoke mark insects and bits of airborne trash being ignited.
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