Evolution...?

[Shastafarian]

And tell me this, how in any way does evolution help humanity? I understand learning about diseases/viruses and things like that but I mean simply believing that you came from the ocean and are simply an more evolved ape?

Look up bacterial resistance.

[SnakeBoy]

So you are unwilling to bother to explain.

Fair enough. Do not expect me to bother answering your questions any further.

I have no need to lash out, but it was *your* question. Most people with any decency or sense would say that the burden lies on your end to make sure that your own question is understood if you want it answered.

Your attempts to do a victory dance because "RG/atheists can't answer my question" is pretty obviously more to suit your ego, than any attempt at getting at a greater truth.

off, the grown ups are talking.

(well maybe not, Rob seems to have given up doing anything other than trying to make himself feel better too. sad.)

LOL what a childish meltdown. What question is it that you think I'm asking you that is getting you so upset?

[it's me]

its's me change your at ude and I might answer some of your questions. As for Blake quit being a got and I might answer some of yours.

What at ude exactly? it seems like you don't like what I ask you.

[xmas1997]

Also, if the only things we believe are those things that can be confirmed by science solely, then aren't we limiting ourselves as to what we can discover?

That would pretty much destroy the whole point of science IMHO, because science is there to provide us a way to prove things and provide useful models of reality, right?

We need to first "imagine" what those may or may not be before we can go about using scientific method to show them.

And if we then fail to show them, is that more an indictment of our ability to come up with the proper means, or that they do not exist because we failed to prove they existed?

[it's me]

Also, if the only things we believe are those things that can be confirmed by science solely, then aren't we limiting ourselves as to what we can discover?

That would pretty much destroy the whole point of science IMHO, because science is there to provide us a way to prove things and provide useful models of reality, right?

We need to first "imagine" what those may or may not be before we can go about using scientific method to show this.

You's twisting it and missing the point... Religious faith/belief is about "knowing" what happened and what is going to happen. Get the definition of faith from your own bible, it talks about certainty.

[RandomGuy]

Also, if the only things we believe are those things that can be confirmed by science solely, then aren't we limiting ourselves as to what we can discover?

That would pretty much destroy the whole point of science IMHO, because science is there to provide us a way to prove things and provide useful models of reality, right?

We need to first "imagine" what those may or may not be before we can go about using scientific method to show this.

The point at which you believe something is true is when it has been demonstrated to be true.

To do otherwise is to invite bad decisions based on believing false things.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ond-son-dies/#

[RandomGuy]

Look up bacterial resistance.

Asking people who criticize the theory of evolution to actually learn about evolution seems to be too much to ask.

Good luck. Rob won't bother, as he isn't really interested in what is true.

[xmas1997]

The point at which you believe something is true is when it has been demonstrated to be true.

To do otherwise is to invite bad decisions based on believing false things.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ond-son-dies/#

I agree with that.

Yet there was a point to where you questioned it in the first place, right?

Otherwise why even try to posit a way to prove it?

That initial point came, or comes, from your imagination.

We want to arrive at a verifiable truth, correct?

That requires us to use our imaginations to posit the ways.

So then, where does our imaginations come from?

[RandomGuy]

I agree with that.

Yet there was a point to where you questioned it in the first place, right?

Otherwise why even try to posit a way to prove it?

That initial point came, or comes, from your imagination.

We want to arrive at a verifiable truth, correct?

That requires us to use our imaginations to posit the ways.

So then, where does our imaginations come from?

Imagination is a function of consciousness. Our brains.

Easy.

[SnakeBoy]

Asking people who criticize the theory of evolution to actually learn about evolution seems to be too much to ask.

Asking you to explain why you are having a temper tantrum seems to be too much to ask as well.

I don't understand the question that I'm not being asked

[xmas1997]

Imagination is a function of consciousness. Our brains.

Easy.

Okay, that was easy, our brains.

Then you need to ask "why" our brains are capable of imagination, don't you?

And why did that idea enter our brains initially and where did that come from to be generated in our brains?

I guess where I am going with this is the age old saying, I am, therefore I am proposition.

[Shastafarian]

Asking people who criticize the theory of evolution to actually learn about evolution seems to be too much to ask.

Good luck. Rob won't bother, as he isn't really interested in what is true.

People who criticize it yet proclaim they don't need to learn about it because they don't believe in it. Some really tragic thinking.

[xmas1997]

I believe what I am getting at is we are more able to identify "where" in our brains our imagination resides, but we still do not know "how", and most especially "why", it does.

[RandomGuy]

I believe what I am getting at is we are more able to identify "where" in our brains our imagination resides, but we still do not know "how", and most especially "why", it does.

So what?

[xmas1997]

Imagination is a function of consciousness. Our brains.

Easy.

So what?

What? I am merely trying to better understand the "what", is all I am doing, because I do not understand it, and hoping someone can illuminate it for me is all.

I am not trying to trap you or anything of that nature.

If as you say imagination is a function of consciousness within the brain, then are you telling me that some brain synapses collide, or combine, or interact, or whatever within the large cortical or subcortical network and produce ideas, images, and/or imagination?

And if that is the possible explanations of "where", and the possible explanations of "how", although I think this is still up in the air right now, then "why" do they do this?

[RD2191]

Look up bacterial resistance.

I have before but I don't remember much about it.

[RD2191]

So God wants these things from us?

I believe so.

[RandomGuy]

What? I am merely trying to better understand the "what", is all I am doing, because I do not understand it, and hoping someone can illuminate it for me is all.

I am not trying to trap you or anything of that nature.

If as you say imagination is a function of consciousness within the brain, then are you telling me that some brain synapses collide, or combine, or interact, or whatever within the large cortical or subcortical network and produce ideas, images, and/or imagination?

And if that is the possible explanations of "where", and the possible explanations of "how", although I think this is still up in the air right now, then "why" do they do this?

A simple why is that imagination is part and parcel of being able to do some evolutionarily useful things. Empathy for one, i.e. imagining what others are thinking/feeling, and two, being able to think abstractly, both of which appear to be required for any kind of meaningful self-awareness.

[RandomGuy]

I believe so.

What happens if we don't do what he wants us to do?

[RD2191]

What happens if we don't do what he wants us to do?

Nothing too extreme, you just die/cease to exist.

[xmas1997]

A simple why is that imagination is part and parcel of being able to do some evolutionarily useful things. Empathy for one, i.e. imagining what others are thinking/feeling, and two, being able to think abstractly, both of which appear to be required for any kind of meaningful self-awareness.

I appreciate you attempting this explanation for me for me. It truly helps.

But isn't that just more of the "what" it does, rather than the "why" it does?

[RandomGuy]

Nothing too extreme, you just die/cease to exist.

Hmm. Would you say that is horrible? Ceasing to exist, when you could be resurrected?

[RD2191]

Hmm. Would you say that is horrible? Ceasing to exist, when you could be resurrected?

Of course not, because God gave that person a chance to repent and live their lives according to his laws/principles.

[Blake]

That is your opinion and a wrong one. If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that your statement is inaccurate and a lie. You do not understand anything about the Bible.

prove it's a lie

[RD2191]

prove it's a lie

I already have. I've posted scriptures before and tried to explain why it wasn't murder. He refused to believe that and still believes God is a murderer. There isn't much I can do about that. It would also be pointless seeing as he doesn't believe in God.