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    LOL "free will".

    "Do what I want, or I will do something horrible to you".

    This is the Christian bible's explicit threat, and it is not alone in that. Cults of all types sustain themselves through such threats.

    Why should anyone worship an extortionist who craves worship?

    That is your opinion and a wrong one. If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that your statement is inaccurate and a lie. You do not understand anything about the Bible.
    Then by all means correct me.

    What does God require for your resurrection?

    From my understanding, repentance and baptism and also following and living by his laws/principles.

    So God wants these things from us?
    What happens if we don't do what he wants us to do?

    Nothing too extreme, you just die/cease to exist.

    Hmm. Would you say that is horrible? Ceasing to exist, when you could be resurrected?
    Of course not, because God gave that person a chance to repent and live their lives according to his laws/principles.

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    Even this article goes into the "what" of imagination, and "what is happening to it", but still skirts the issue of "why" it is.

    Why We Need To Imagine The Impossible
    By John H. Stevens | Thursday, June 14th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/201...he-impossible/

    “Fortunately somewhere between chance and mystery lies imagination, the only thing that protects our freedom, despite the fact that people keep trying to reduce it or kill it off altogether.” – Luis Buñuel

    This week I had planned to write a response to a very intriguing article by David Graeber on America’s imagined future and its failings. But since then I’ve read some unrelated articles and arguments that have recombined in my mind, and the ideas that are bubbling up demand that I write them out, so here goes. I want to discuss why the most fabulous thing that human beings have invented is so important, not just in terms of survival but in terms are creating our world, for better and for worse, and look at some of the paradoxes in how we conceive of and use that invention.

    The fabulous invention is the human imagination. The imagination is not an actual thing; it is a concept that we use to try to codify a broad process of human cognition. It is a cultural conception of how we use imagery to construct behavior and thought. The imagination is a capacity that involves most parts of the brain in some form; there is not one location where we conjure all of our imaginings, although many researchers agree that the thalamus is important to the process of imagination. As each brain is shaped by its experiences, however, so is each person’s imagination, and different types of imagining access different parts of the brain. So, this process, this capacity that we all have, is unique. And yet, we most often employ it to make sense of shared symbols and ideas, comparing what we perceive to our individual models of reality (which reside, most likely, in the frontal lobe).

    What we mean when we use the term is most often to refer to the “faculty of the mind which forms and manipulates images.” It is the faculty “of forming mental images or concepts of what is not actually present to the senses. ” In its Latin roots it refers to hallucination, fancy, images not directly from your perception but created in your mind. But the imagination is not just a faculty; it is also a resource. It is simultaneously the brain functions and the results of those functions, drawing on memory and consciousness and combining them into elements that we use to interact with the world around us.

    I’m telling you this because we use this term constantly (it is peppered throughout many of my own columns) as if we know exactly what we are referring to, when in fact it is a gloss for something that we do constantly and in ever-shifting ways. Eva H. T. Braun noted in The World of Imagination: Sum and Substance, some argue that “‘imagination’ is really an ‘onomatoid,” that is, a namelike word which in fact designates nothing because it signifies too broadly.” To counter this, it is often further defined with some sort of adjective such as “historical” or “scientific” or “artistic” so that it has more discernible boundaries, and this is where the first paradox emerges. In our efforts to invoke the imagination, grasp it and utilize it, we have to limit it. We have to create a point of understanding out of this unique process that we all perform. We have to focus it and also make what it does sensible to ourselves and to others.

    After reading Graeber’s article I encountered a discussion on Margaret Atwood’s idea of SF which seemed to come down to the individual needs of imagination, many of which are about limiting not just one’s personal imagination but how one’s imagination is interpreted by others. As I followed the debate (which unfolded on Eleanor Arnason’s Facebook wall), I went back and read a column I wrote looking at Atwood’s “delimiting of imagination.” What occurred to me after re-reading that piece is that what another aspect of what Atwood is doing is simultaneously defending her own interpretation of the imagination while trying to argue that there is one particularly fruitful way to exercise the imagination in literary terms, which is to base it an idea of the real, of what we know humans have done and what science tells us is possible. I no sooner turned away from that conversation than I discovered that a new Center for Human Imagination was being established at USCD:

    Imagination — one of the least understood but most cherished products of the mind and brain — will become the focus of wide-ranging study at a new center jointly founded by UC San Diego and the Arthur C. Clarke Foundation.”

    The article went on to outline what the Center might do, including possibly coming up with ways to “stimulate or enhance human imagination.” With that, Graeber’s article came to mind, with its lengthy discussion of the cultural shape of how Americans commonly imagined the future in the 20th century. One of his points is that shared ideas of what the future might hold were eroded by the channeling of our imagination in certain social, economic, and political directions. The imaginations of many Americans are, he believes, constrained by our increasingly bureaucratic society with its procedures of statisical normalization, surveillance, and passive and active controls. I realized then that part of the reasons that the imagination is “one of the least understood” is that we have stunted it, that it is inevitably stunted by our contact with and absorption of the images of the world around us.

    This is the next paradox of the imagination; that it is theoretically vast and potentially unlimited, but that it is constantly being constrained, that is it truncated rather than expanded. Perhaps this is the inevitable effect of living, an unavoidable result of being humans who creates templates of reality to make sense of everything around us and inside our heads. But even as we celebrate the idea of the imagination with its untold, untapped possibilities, we strive to impose limits on it. We almost have to impose limits on it, or it does not function. Atwood’s at ude to SF seemed to reflect this thought, and it is certainly reinforced by Graeber’s conception of how elements of our capitalist economy have influenced what we think is possible and what we can actually produce as a result.

    All of this troubles me because I believe in the imagination, as unstable and general as that idea is. Graeber essentially argues that Americans have allowed their imaginations to be hijacked and manipulated, and I think that to a large extent this is precisely what human societies and cultures do: create boundaries and shape our musings and conjectures. Sometimes we push against those ideas, sometimes we fall prey to them. Sometimes we improve something, while other times we create blindness in ourselves. And, in rare moments, we create something new. The fantastic, from far back beyond recorded history, was the first innovation, I think, one that as we used it changed our brains. We would not be human if we could not conceive of the fantastic and allow it to dwell within our skulls. Our very imaginations are based on it; that faculty is the engine for and most potent symbol of the fantastic.

    And we limit it, constantly. perhaps necessarily. We could not function without imagination, could not relate to others, understand what goes on around us, craft ways to move through our lives. And yet, I think we all (me included) often neglect to push it. We get comfortable with our templates of reality, with the symbols we take in, and while we might make improvements, we seem to make fewer deep innovations. And although I disagree with some of his points, I do agree with Graeber that we have allowed our supposedly science-fictional contemporary world to bind our imaginations, rather than liberate them. It is, as Buñuel wrote, the only thing that protects our freedom, and our world constantly tries to limit changes and erase mysteries, and our imaginations suffer for it. We need to exceed the inhibiting of our imaginations and allow our imaginations to be richly fantastical again, to be excessive, probing, idiotic, and ferocious in the pursuit of what is-not. We need to imagine the impossible to save our imaginations, and ourselves.

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    You see, you understood nothing or choose to be ignorant. Your problem not mine.

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    As I said before, you do not understand the Bible. Or if you do you choose to remain ignorant on the subject.

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    I already have. I've posted scriptures before and tried to explain why it wasn't murder. He refused to believe that and still believes God is a murderer. There isn't much I can do about that. It would also be pointless seeing as he doesn't believe in God.
    You can't post scriptures that wave away the old testament, because there are new testament sections that very explicitly do not throw them away.

    So you are saddled with the evil that God does in the old testament, as well as the evil Jesus said.

    It is funny watching you tapdance trying to escape from that.

    1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

    2) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

    3) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

    3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

    3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

    4) Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

    5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

    6) (Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in .) (Matthew 5:27)

    7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

    8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

    9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
    Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

    All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever, as Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament, and that is obvious to anybody with any knowledge of the Bible.

    Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.

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    God is not evil. If you believe he is then you have no understanding of the Bible.

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    As I said before, you do not understand the Bible. Or if you do you choose to remain ignorant on the subject.
    The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

    Maybe you could enlighten me and answer this question.

    Do tell.

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    Albert Einstein: “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

    I'll start a new thread rather than this side issue. Sorry.

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    God is not evil. If you believe he is then you have no understanding of the Bible.
    Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.

    Also another question I have.

    Perhaps you could share your superior knowledge with us on that one.

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    Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.

    Also another question I have.

    Perhaps you could share your superior knowledge with us on that one.
    Why does that matter to you if you do not believe in it? And do you really want an answer or do you want something you can disagree with?

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    We've been through this before, your mind is already made up.

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    You can't post scriptures that wave away the old testament, because there are new testament sections that very explicitly do not throw them away.

    So you are saddled with the evil that God does in the old testament, as well as the evil Jesus said.

    It is funny watching you tapdance trying to escape from that.

    1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

    2) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

    3) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

    3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

    3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

    4) Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

    5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

    6) (Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in .) (Matthew 5:27)

    7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

    8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

    9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
    Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

    All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever, as Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament, and that is obvious to anybody with any knowledge of the Bible.

    Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
    God is not evil. If you believe he is then you have no understanding of the Bible.
    Translation:




    You aren't explaining to me what those passages mean.

    You aren't even quoting any scriptures to contradict them.

    Of course.... you also claim the Bible doesn't contradict itself, so finding a scripture that contradicts 5:18 s you and your ignorance about the bible either way.

    By all means, keep handwaving. These passages won't be going anywhere.

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    I already have. I've posted scriptures before and tried to explain why it wasn't murder. He refused to believe that and still believes God is a murderer. There isn't much I can do about that. It would also be pointless seeing as he doesn't believe in God.
    God made the flood in Genesis.

    No way around God not being a murderer no matter how you try to spin it.

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    It's pretty easy to ridicule the bible tbh. However, this thread is about evolution. The only reason it's turned into a "beat up on Rob" thread is because he has participated in a subject he admittedly doesn't believe in or care to learn anything about with an output that is essentially " evolution".

    So . . . knock it off with the " bible" and get back on track.

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    The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

    Maybe you could enlighten me and answer this question.

    Do tell.
    One of them is in fact the line to Mary the whole magic book is ed up TBH.

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    As I said before, you do not understand the Bible.
    The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

    Maybe you could enlighten me and answer this question.

    Do tell.
    Why does that matter to you if you do not believe in it? And do you really want an answer or do you want something you can disagree with?
    Not really an answer.

    You said the bible has no contradictions, the prophecies in it are all fulfilled, you know it better than I do, and it has all the answers.

    And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
    I have other things to get to, ATM. Feel free to answer the question when you are done googling the excuse.

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    Start an " bible" thread tbh.

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    Start an " bible" thread tbh.
    It'll be pretty boring TBH. It's like making fun of a re ed child.

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    It'll be pretty boring TBH. It's like making fun of a re ed child.
    So pretty much like what this thread is like now?

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    We don't at the bible we at the morons that believe it's the infallible word of a supposed all-knowing, all-powerful... and all many other things god.

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    It's pretty easy to ridicule the bible tbh. However, this thread is about evolution. The only reason it's turned into a "beat up on Rob" thread is because he has participated in a subject he admittedly doesn't believe in or care to learn anything about with an output that is essentially " evolution".

    So . . . knock it off with the " bible" and get back on track.
    Killjoy.

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    Translation:




    You aren't explaining to me what those passages mean.

    You aren't even quoting any scriptures to contradict them.

    Of course.... you also claim the Bible doesn't contradict itself, so finding a scripture that contradicts 5:18 s you and your ignorance about the bible either way.

    By all means, keep handwaving. These passages won't be going anywhere.
    Wrong, and I have before, you simply choose to ignore them.

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    LOL RandomGuy revealing himself to be a literalist, even on parts of the bible that explicitly stated to be parables.

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    I have sought.

    Seems to me if there is some god in the universe trying to get in touch with me, it could do a far better job of demonstrating its existence.

    If it existed it would know exactly what it would take to convince me, but has chosen to not do that.

    Why is this thing being such a ?

    Maybe it isn't being a - maybe you just refuse to see what is there.


    You are like the little fish in the ocean that asks, "excuse me - can you tell me where I might find the ocean?"


    God is all around you and you blindly refuse to open your eyes and see and even stupidly ask, "why doesn't "IT" reveal itself to me?"

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    God made the flood in Genesis.

    No way around God not being a murderer no matter how you try to spin it.
    As I said before, free will, did Noah not warn other of what was going to happen?

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