Avante and music

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPOMYHKWGTE

[silverblk mystix]

I just think the definition of musical instrument, and music itself has changed a lot over the past 10-15 years.

Agreed.

...however ...


Most people can put down something decent after an hour or two of familiarization with a program.

On the other hand - a musician learning an instrument sucks badly for weeks, months, sometimes years before becoming proficient or really decent.

I think this is a huge difference.

The first time I messed around with garageband and/or pro logic -

I had a few complete compositions within an hour or two.

My wife - who also knows how to play guitar and has written songs on guitar - picked up garageband for the first time and in an hour she had made a little cool song that I still play on my IPOD to this day - she threw in everything but the kitchen sink, strings, whistles,keys,horns,all kinds of percussion, etc...

but stayed with the same beat - except for breaks, etc.... it was a cool little rocking creative piece - in an hour!

Most kids can get up to speed really, really fast.


On a real instrument -

nope.

[leemajors]

Agreed.

...however ...


Most people can put down something decent after an hour or two of familiarization with a program.

On the other hand - a musician learning an instrument sucks badly for weeks, months, sometimes years before becoming proficient or really decent.

I think this is a huge difference.

The first time I messed around with garageband and/or pro logic -

I had a few complete compositions within an hour or two.

My wife - who also knows how to play guitar and has written songs on guitar - picked up garageband for the first time and in an hour she had made a little cool song that I still play on my IPOD to this day - she threw in everything but the kitchen sink, strings, whistles,keys,horns,all kinds of percussion, etc...

but stayed with the same beat - except for breaks, etc.... it was a cool little rocking creative piece - in an hour!

Most kids can get up to speed really, really fast.


On a real instrument -

nope.

Why are you assuming they haven't put in the same time with their instrument of choice?

[pgardn]

I thought part of playing a musical instrument well was a deft touch, mostly with the fingers, hands that caused unique pleasing vibrations in the instrument via strings, etc. resonating a properly made box, tube, etc...


Cello, violin, acoustic guitar, piano, the rich sounds that don't need a vibrating speaker. Speakers are the limiting factor imo. Isn't live music the best of all, especially when you can hear it without speakers? Playing your acoustic guitar next to your lady making her swoon and all that rot?

But I digress...

[silverblk mystix]

Why are you assuming they haven't put in the same time with their instrument of choice?

I'm not.

But it does not take anywhere near the same investment in time - to do what they are doing.

That was why I explained how easy it was to write a few compositions on a computer program.

[silverblk mystix]

I thought part of playing a musical instrument well was a deft touch, mostly with the fingers, hands that caused unique pleasing vibrations in the instrument via strings, etc. resonating a properly made box, tube, etc...


Cello, violin, acoustic guitar, piano, the rich sounds that don't need a vibrating speaker. Speakers are the limiting factor imo. Isn't live music the best of all, especially when you can hear it without speakers? Playing your acoustic guitar next to your lady making her swoon and all that rot?

But I digress...

All of that is important - but I still didn't see what your main point was.


A musician needs to learn and practice all those things and must have timing, control, touch, dexterity, discipline, etc....


and


they have to put all those things together and make it sound musical.

A programmer pushes buttons...sometimes fast...sometimes in really fast combinations...but he never created the music - he is usually pushing buttons of PRE-RECORDED sounds.

Everything has already been played/recorded/perfected/etc...


by real musicians.

[DJR210]

I'm not.

But it does not take anywhere near the same investment in time - to do what they are doing.

That was why I explained how easy it was to write a few compositions on a computer program.

Apples to oranges. Learning a sequencer or a recording program is not the same as manipulation of a midi pad with that many pads, and playing a song without any noticeable errors, as displayed in the video above.

[silverblk mystix]

Apples to oranges. Learning a sequencer or a recording program is not the same as manipulation of a midi pad with that many pads, and playing a song without any noticeable errors, as displayed in the video above.

Well, cmon - lets be real;


There are about 12 buttons.


12 buttons.


A child of 7 or 8 - can master those 12 buttons in a few days or weeks...


An adult doing the same - IMHO -

is not really that impressive to me.

[DJR210]

Well, cmon - lets be real;


There are about 12 buttons.


12 buttons.


A child of 7 or 8 - can master those 12 buttons in a few days or weeks...


An adult doing the same - IMHO -

is not really that impressive to me.

12 buttons on what? The video on page 1 is showing a dude on at least a 64 pad midi controller.

[silverblk mystix]

12 buttons on what? The video on page 1 is showing a dude on at least a 64 pad midi controller.

Ok...

64 buttons...

A month - tops - and you are proficient.

Not impressed.

[DJR210]

Ok...

64 buttons...

A month - tops - and you are proficient.

Not impressed.

But a guitar or bass has 4-6 strings?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ok...

64 buttons...

A month - tops - and you are proficient.

Not impressed.

I think you are grossly underestimating the difficulty of these pads. Think about this when you pluck a guitar string you've got a pretty standard length of note. Each of these buttons can range from a quick drum hit to a 10 second long bass line, and everything in between. These pads you see also have "pages" that are programmed in to instantly switch to a new set of 64 pads. There are like 6 available pages of 64 programmable buttons available in a second, all with 64 differing lengths per button. Think about he skill/memory/finger control/rhythm that is needed to pull that off.

1 month??? Laughable.

[silverblk mystix]

But a guitar or bass has 4-6 strings?

And 21-22-24 frets....

for EACH string

[silverblk mystix]

I think you are grossly underestimating the difficulty of these pads. Think about this when you pluck a guitar string you've got a pretty standard length of note. Each of these buttons can range from a quick drum hit to a 10 second long bass line, and everything in between. These pads you see also have "pages" that are programmed in to instantly switch to a new set of 64 pads. There are like 6 available pages of 64 programmable buttons available in a second, all with 64 differing lengths per button. Think about he skill/memory/finger control/rhythm that is needed to pull that off.

1 month??? Laughable.

Haven't you ever played a video game?

At first - the remote is tricky - the controller - is tricky - and you get shot, flame out, or you run the car off the road -


A month later -


you are an expert.

Same .

[RD2191]

Nothing difficult about tapping a stupid little music box with programmed music. Try playing a simple song on guitar and see how long it takes you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Haven't you ever played a video game?

At first - the remote is tricky - the controller - is tricky - and you get shot, flame out, or you run the car off the road -


A month later -


you are an expert.

Same .

You clearly did not read and truly think about what I just said. By the way did you watch that doc I posted? Not the same as these launchpad guys but an inside look into a genre you've probably never heard.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nothing difficult about tapping a stupid little music box with programmed music. Try playing a simple song on guitar and see how long it takes you.

A simple song on a guitar is...rather simple.

[RD2191]

A simple song on a guitar is...rather simple.

Maybe so. But to make it sound the way it's supposed to sound and play it the way it is supposed to be played is rather difficult.

[silverblk mystix]

You clearly did not read and truly think about what I just said. By the way did you watch that doc I posted? Not the same as these launchpad guys but an inside look into a genre you've probably never heard.

I saw and listened to the first two videos where the guys were tap dancing like ten mother- ers and pushing buttons like monkeys on crack -


but the music didn't sound good to me - and every sound, every voice - like that Ozzy voice - was something that had already been done before - therefore - telling me that this person does not have the creativity to create his own new sounds, vocals, melodies - but can only play with stuff that others already created.

Not the same IMHO - as creating ORIGINAL stuff.

[RD2191]

[RD2191]

Real musician and a real artist.

[silverblk mystix]

I wonder how long it would take the average person to learn this little simple song?

[spurraider21]

[RD2191]

I wonder how long it would take the average person to learn this little simple song?

No words and I almost teared up.

[RD2191]

Awesome, though he is Asian so he has probably been playing for many years and they also have incredible work ethic and want to do the best in whatever they are studying/practicing/learning.