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  1. #101
    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    He's a got. And did his team win?
    Yep. The Warriors won 50 games for the first time in 20 years. Best +/- in the league. His on/off is twice as high as Durant's or Lebron's.

    Wait, he's a got, and you still don't like him?

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    Parker is my favorite player. I pattern my poor man's game after him. Situationally I could an argument in the past being made for him over Paul. If he goes back to 2013 form, again, I could see it. He has taken over playoff series before on his own.

    But Paul is so damn consistently dominant. It's not his fault that the best player he's ever ran the floor with is ensian street urchin's version of Tim ing Duncan. Duncan has a legitimate claim to be a top 5 player in history. Paul's best teammate might have an outside shot at a top 25 player of all-time, but it's pretty long odds right now unless Blake continues to catapult his game forward. That's not a knock on Parker, that's a realization that he's been extremely fortunate to play his entire career with one of the best guys ever to lace them up. Parker has had to lead his team... at times. Paul has never been able to stop leading his team from Day 1, because he's been the man 100% of the time. That's a lot of burden to shoulder. But holy , prime Paul with prime Duncan would have been something marvelous to see. The other 3 Spurs on the court could have taken a smoke break on offense for how efficiently destructive they would have been together.

    Oh okay, Duncan knew how to win. Thank you.
    This is so absurdly simplistic. Especially considering KG HAS a ring, and took a hapless Minnesota team to the playoffs year after year. How have they been doing since? Thought so. I hate KG but the dude is one of the best PFs in league history.

    That said, there IS a major difference between Duncan and KG, and it has nothing to do with "knowing how to win". Duncan is one of the best weak-side help defenders in the entire history of the league. There's a reason healthy Tim Duncan-led teams are always near the top of the charts in defensive prowess. KG has always been an elite on-ball defender, but he's not nearly the interior presence on defense that Tim is. Duncan in his prime even guarded prime Shaq quite well, which is a noteworthy accomplishment.

    On offense, Duncan was a wrecking ball. What he did to the Thunder and Ibaka in Game 6 of OT was merely a flash of what he used to do every damn game. As good as KG was on offense, he was never a guy that forced an entire defense to be aware of him at every second. Statistics should really do more to show forced doubles, because for many years Duncan was up there with any other player in the league, including Shaq. His ability to get easy buckets at a high rate was something that dismantled defensive schemes.

    In case you weren't around for that Rob, check this out:



    1:41 is the epitome of what Tim Duncan has meant to the Spurs over his career. Just unparalleled ability to shut things down.

    Both elite players, both unquestionable winners that in their prime make any franchise around an echelon better. The same is true for Parker/Paul. Paul just does it every damn game at a high level. If HE had a subpar series, the Clippers would get swept in the first round, every time. Parker had an uneven playoffs, and we won the le.
    Last edited by Cry Havoc; 08-22-2014 at 12:36 PM.

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    You mean the guy who can't get past the 2nd round? That guy is a winner? By your logic Kevin Garnett was a better player than Duncan the last 14 years. Don't let your Manu sucking get it the way of recognizing Parker as one of the best in the game.
    Not defending Chris Paul or anything, but they did play us in the WCF in 2012 I believe (3rd round)

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    Not defending Chris Paul or anything, but they did play us in the WCF in 2012 I believe (3rd round)
    that was WCSF, we got backdoor swept in WCF by Thunder

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    that was WCSF, we got backdoor swept in WCF by Thunder
    That's right, my bad. I guess that loss really ed up my memory haha

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    You say potato I say tomato. Parker>Curry/CP3 who have a combined 0 WCF appearances. And as I said before, in no way is CP3 a significantly better player than Parker stat wise. The numbers are very very close. Despite Parker playing 4 less minutes per game career wise. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh and 4 rings.

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    comparing a coatrider to a franchise player?

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    You say potato I say tomato. Parker>Curry/CP3 who have a combined 0 WCF appearances. And as I said before, in no way is CP3 a significantly better player than Parker stat wise. The numbers are very very close. Despite Parker playing 4 less minutes per game career wise. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh and 4 rings.
    I guess that means Matt Bonner is a better player than Tracy McGrady. And if you're saying that Paul wouldn't have made the WCF or the Finals with Duncan, that's a pretty serious knock on Duncan's abilities.

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    Havoc great analysis though I appreciate the work behind it. I just will never be convinced that CP3 is a better player than Tony Parker.

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    Pure bull being spewed in this thread, like I said before some of you are mixing Hennessy with Crack.

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    Pure bull being spewed in this thread, like I said before some of you are mixing Hennessy with Crack.
    That's what happens when newer fans' (or Laker fans) team wins the le. They have the best 5 players in the game on their team in their eyes. Parker > Paul, Green > Harden, Leonard > LeBron, that sorta thing.

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    You say potato I say tomato. Parker>Curry/CP3 who have a combined 0 WCF appearances. And as I said before, in no way is CP3 a significantly better player than Parker stat wise. The numbers are very very close. Despite Parker playing 4 less minutes per game career wise. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh and 4 rings.
    I've shown you the stats, cp3 is significantly better. The difference is even more so when looking at advanced stats.

    You can stick to the story, but it just isn't true.

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    I've shown you the stats, cp3 is significantly better. The difference is even more so when looking at advanced stats.

    You can stick to the story, but it just isn't true.
    No he isn't. Not at all. 4 rings and a Finals MVP, could be 5 and possibly a 2nd MVP if not for 6. If you want to take a guy who can't get past the 2nd round over TP9 then I don't know what to tell you. Hope you never get a job working for the Spurs though.

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    No he isn't. Not at all. 4 rings and a Finals MVP, could be 5 and possibly a 2nd MVP if not for 6. If you want to take a guy who can't get past the 2nd round over TP9 then I don't know what to tell you. Hope you never get a job working for the Spurs though.
    4 rings are team accomplishments. The finals MVP was nice but we all know it was because of the cavs defensive schemes and personnel.

    Which stats were close other than scoring and blocks? CP3 is better in almost every other stat. I am just having trouble seeing it, even with you head in the sand stance.

    And no, I'll never work for the spurs, and I doubt either would you. But if you do, I'm sure you will be the worlds greatest janitor or parking attendant because the spurs have riiiiiings.

    Now excuse me, I have to call RC Buford to let him know that Bruce Bowen is a better small forward than Rick Barry, Tracy mcgrady and Vince carter because of rings.

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    4 rings are team accomplishments. The finals MVP was nice but we all know it was because of the cavs defensive schemes and personnel.

    Which stats were close other than scoring and blocks? CP3 is better in almost every other stat. I am just having trouble seeing it, even with you head in the sand stance.

    And no, I'll never work for the spurs, and I doubt either would you. But if you do, I'm sure you will be the worlds greatest janitor or parking attendant because the spurs have riiiiiings.

    Now excuse me, I have to call RC Buford to let him know that Bruce Bowen is a better small forward than Rick Barry, Tracy mcgrady and Vince carter because of rings.
    Are their stats similar?

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    CP3 averages more assist, sure, But as I said, Parker plays less minutes. Deep playoff runs and les require rest. And by your logic you are saying that Duncan and KG are = players.

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    "significantly"

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    Best Playoff
    Points Per Game Tony Parker 28.6 (2009)

    Chris Paul 24.1 (2008)

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    Are their stats similar?
    CP3 averages more assist, sure, But as I said, Parker plays less minutes. Deep playoff runs and les require rest. And by your logic you are saying that Duncan and KG are = players.
    Apply same logic to Bowen vs any of those players. Bowen would average more of everything if he played more minutes per game, but less games with first round exits.

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    Apply same logic to Bowen vs any of those players. Bowen would average more of everything if he played more minutes per game, but less games with first round exits.
    Never saw Bowen play until very late in his career, wasn't he offensively challenged?

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    Where do you go to school? Just off the head calculations. 4.4 is 45% greater than 3
    9.9 is about 65% greater than 6, and 2.4 is about 165% greater than 0.9. Which of these are not significant?

    Best Playoff
    Points Per Game Tony Parker 28.6 (2009)

    Chris Paul 24.1 (2008)
    Why are you looking at one single stat of each respective players best series? Bowen out scored Kobe in a game in the playoffs, he must be a better scorer, scratch that, better player than Kobe.

    Really not sure why you are pulling up stats that actually help my case. Chris Paul is better than Parker in ever stat other than scorer. And significantly at that. Which one would you disagree with?

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    You're also comparing a 20ppg career scorer to a 6ppg career scorer. Come on son.

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    In other news, Parker is better than Isiah Thomas. They have similar scoring numbers and have more rings. We can ignore all the other stats, but pay real close to who had better scoring in their best playoff series, because that is the key to determine the best player in the world.

    http://www.landofbasketball.com/play...iah_thomas.htm

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    You're also comparing a 20ppg career scorer to a 6ppg career scorer. Come on son.

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