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    Yes.

    See how easy that is?
    Very easy. In Bible times parents were also responsible for their children. They chose death for their children by refusing to follow Gods laws/commandments. Very easy to understand.

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    No excuse, just the truth. Children died because their parents had Gods chosen people captive. That is it and that is all. How many times did Moses warn Pharaoh? Huh? So we can also blame the Pharaoh in this case. Simple, really.
    13 And the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.
    BULL MOTHER ER.

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    As I said, Rob, I know it is the fear of death that makes you cling to these fairy tales so hard.

    You want the santa claus afterlife of a resurrection.

    I didn't really want to rub your nose so hard in your own delusions, but it seems your fear overcomes your common sense, and your decency.

    That said, I will leave you to your delusions. I realize that I can only show you the truth, the way out of the cult, and nothing but yourself can get you out of the trap.

    I can only hope that you use your delusion constructively.

    Good luck.

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    Yeah keep saying that, first you were defending the parents and now you've moved on to Pharaoh.

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    War is never neat and orderly, in fact it is terrible.

    Women and children suffer the most, and everyone justifies it as collateral damage.

    But unfortunately it happens in every war.

    Take for example what happened to Japan in WWII when the two atomic bombs were dropped.

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    As I said, Rob, I know it is the fear of death that makes you cling to these fairy tales so hard.

    You want the santa claus afterlife of a resurrection.

    I didn't really want to rub your nose so hard in your own delusions, but it seems your fear overcomes your common sense, and your decency.

    That said, I will leave you to your delusions. I realize that I can only show you the truth, the way out of the cult, and nothing but yourself can get you out of the trap.

    I can only hope that you use your delusion constructively.

    Good luck.
    I don't fear death. Good luck with evilbible.com

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    And if you read the beginning of Exodus you will see that God "allowed" Pharaohs heart to become heartened. Why is this important? Because it goes back to free will. God could of intervened to make Pharaoh listen but as Pharaoh had free will he simply allowed it to happen. God knew before hand that Pharaoh would not listen so he had already told that to Moses and Aaron.

    7 Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God* to Phar′aoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet.+2 You are to repeat everything that I will command you, and Aaron your brother will speak to Phar′aoh, and he will send the Israelites away from his land.3 As for me, I will allow Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate,+ and I will multiply my signs and my miracles in the land of Egypt.+4 But Phar′aoh will not listen to you, and I will lay my hand upon Egypt and bring my mul udes,* my people, the Israelites, out of the land of Egypt with great judgments.

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    Exodus 4:21

    21 Then Jehovah said to Moses: “After you have returned to Egypt, see that you perform before Phar′aoh all the miracles that I have empowered you to do.But I will allow his heart to become obstinate, and he will not send the people away.

    Exodus 7:13

    13 Still, Phar′aoh’s heart became obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.




    Exodus 7:22

    22 Nevertheless, the magic-practicing priests of Egypt did the same thing with their secret arts, so that Phar′aoh’s heart continued to be obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.

    Exodus 8:15

    15 When Phar′aoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and he refused to listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.


    Exodus 8:19

    19 So the magic-practicing priests said to Phar′aoh: “It is the finger of God!” But Phar′aoh’s heart continued to be obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.

    Exodus 9:12

    12 But Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had told Moses.




    Exodus 9:35

    35 And Phar′aoh’s heart continued obstinate, and he did not send the Israelites away, just as Jehovah had stated through Moses.

    Exodus 10:20

    20 However, Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not send the Israelites away.
    Exodus 10:27

    27 So Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not consent to send them away.

    Exodus 11:10

    10 Moses and Aaron performed all these miracles before Phar′aoh, but Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, so that he did not send the Israelites away from his land.


    Exodus 14:8

    8 Thus Jehovah allowed the heart of Phar′aoh king of Egypt to become obstinate, and he chased after the Israelites, while the Israelites were going out with confidence.

    Romans 9:17, 18

    17 For the scripture says to Phar′aoh: “For this very reason I have let you remain: to show my power in connection with you and to have my name declared in all the earth.” 18 So, then, he has mercy on whomever he wishes, but he lets whomever he wishes become obstinate.




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    Yes you will

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    Interesting take on how religion and authoritarian beliefs make children out of their believers.

    Just thought you might find it interesting.

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    More Youtube videos. Any more interesting links from evilbible.com?

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    You lumped me in as "pretending" the question doesn't exist, when I attempted in good faith to answer the question, and you didn't get the answer you wanted.

    Which is, as noted, a lie.
    How could I want a certain answer from you if I never asked you the question. I was making a point to Blake that the question exists and no matter what his answer was it only proved the question existed. Then you jumped in not understanding the conversation and started trying to answer a question I never asked you. I even told you I was not asking you a question, yet you kept flailing about trying to answer a question you weren't being asked until you had a temper tantrum. Now you're lying about it and calling me a liar...your so ethical.

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    Whatever makes you feel better.

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    What about my ethical?

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    More Youtube videos. Any more interesting links from evilbible.com?

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    Your videos have nothing to do with me schooling on you on who is responsible for their children. If you wanna keep posting YouTube links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand then go right ahead.

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    gets his beliefs from youtube calls me ignorant for not studying evolution. Atheists ladies and gents. I provided answer using only the Bible with my own research. Keep it going bud.

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    So we all agree, parents are responsible for their children.

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    Your videos have nothing to do with me schooling on you on who is responsible for their children. If you wanna keep posting YouTube links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand then go right ahead.


    This pretty much hits your arguments directly.

    I am going to guess you will be too scared to watch it.

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    There is no argument here. Seeing as you lost, like always, you are bringing something entirely different into the debate. Parents are responsible for their children. There is nothing difficult about it.

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    Same thing you're doing to SnakeBoy, you keep getting your ass handed to you and when you realize you're wrong you start bringing other into the debate. We can all see that. Also, your videos have nothing to do with the Bible seeing as I am using only the Bible to defend my stance. Just because you are more educated than me and have a more diverse vocabulary doesn't mean anything. You're wrong and I am right.

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    Same thing you're doing to SnakeBoy, you keep getting your ass handed to you and when you realize you're wrong you start bringing other into the debate. We can all see that. Also, your videos have nothing to do with the Bible seeing as I am using only the Bible to defend my stance. Just because you are more educated than me and have a more diverse vocabulary doesn't mean anything. You're wrong and I am right.
    What happened to chump?
    He was in here arguing nonsense with me like a crazed man for a while.

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    Lets make this easy, you're driving in a car with your child, sign says "bomb ahead", you keep driving, "bomb ahead-stop", you keep going, "boom." Now, who was responsible for the death of their child because they refused to listen?

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    What happened to chump?
    He was in here arguing nonsense with me like a crazed man for a while.
    He disappears for a few days every now and then. Who knows what that creep is up to.

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    Exodus 4:21

    21 Then Jehovah said to Moses: “After you have returned to Egypt, see that you perform before Phar′aoh all the miracles that I have empowered you to do.But I will allow his heart to become obstinate, and he will not send the people away.

    Exodus 7:13

    13 Still, Phar′aoh’s heart became obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.




    Exodus 7:22

    22 Nevertheless, the magic-practicing priests of Egypt did the same thing with their secret arts, so that Phar′aoh’s heart continued to be obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.

    Exodus 8:15

    15 When Phar′aoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and he refused to listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.


    Exodus 8:19

    19 So the magic-practicing priests said to Phar′aoh: “It is the finger of God!” But Phar′aoh’s heart continued to be obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had said.

    Exodus 9:12

    12 But Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had told Moses.




    Exodus 9:35

    35 And Phar′aoh’s heart continued obstinate, and he did not send the Israelites away, just as Jehovah had stated through Moses.

    Exodus 10:20

    20 However, Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not send the Israelites away.
    Exodus 10:27

    27 So Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not consent to send them away.

    Exodus 11:10

    10 Moses and Aaron performed all these miracles before Phar′aoh, but Jehovah allowed Phar′aoh’s heart to become obstinate, so that he did not send the Israelites away from his land.


    Exodus 14:8

    8 Thus Jehovah allowed the heart of Phar′aoh king of Egypt to become obstinate, and he chased after the Israelites, while the Israelites were going out with confidence.

    Romans 9:17, 18

    17 For the scripture says to Phar′aoh: “For this very reason I have let you remain: to show my power in connection with you and to have my name declared in all the earth.” 18 So, then, he has mercy on whomever he wishes, but he lets whomever he wishes become obstinate.



    God never murdered children, their parents were responsible for their deaths. Very easy concept to understand.
    Moses then said: “This is what JJehovah has said, ‘About midnight I am going out into the midst of Egypt,+ 5 and every firstborn in the land of Egypt will die,+ from the firstborn of Phar′aoh who is sitting on his throne to the firstborn of the slave girl who is working at the hand mill, and every firstborn of the livestock.+ 6 Throughout all the land of Egypt, there will be a great outcry such as has never occurred nor will ever occur again.+ 7 But not even a dog will bark* at the Israelites, at the men or their livestock, so that you may know that Jehovah can make a distinction between the Egyptians and the Israelites.’
    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bi...oks/exodus/11/

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