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Shooting guard. At least we have pop rick and doc but the sg who are in their primes right now aren't special
The shooting guard used to be such a talented position in the league: you had McGrady, Iverson, Wade, Ginobili, Carter, Bryant, Allen. Now what do you have? Harden and? Klay Thomspon? Bradley Beal? DeMar DeRozan?
Or is coaching worse off in this league right now? There are maybe four good coaches in the league in Pop, Carlisle, Rivers, and Thibedeau. Five years back you had all of them and Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Larry Brown, and Rick Adelman.
So which position is worse in today's NBA?
Shooting guard. At least we have pop rick and doc but the sg who are in their primes right now aren't special
Other than Regular season James harden, the SG is trash
the one with kobe
Good thread imo
SG imho
The real question should be: is SG weaker than C?
Rivers a good coach
Rivers is very good at in bounds plays. At least the equal of RC and Pop ...But they coach circles around him in all other areas.
SG is almost as ty as HC but center is much worse.
I look at coaches like George Karl, Jerry Sloan, Doug Collins and Rick Adelman as "tenured" but not necessarily "good". Larry Brown was good, you could argue for or against Phil but not against his results.
George Karl never could coach, sure he was tenured and liked but couldn't coach. Doug Collins has had his shot a few times, had some success but he's a whiner and I don't think people want to listen to him talk. Adelman was a tenured white man, maybe never had the horses but I never thought he was a good coach.
Don Nelson was a good coach, a bit unorthodox but damn effective at building teams.
The problem today is we have too many black coaches. I don't mean that to sound racist, but black coaches try to buddy up with players, be their dawg... Doc seems to be just a bit on the fringe of that, but still does it. You look at other black coaches and you see basically just worse than if the team captain did all the coaching himself.
So yeah, the coaching is rather weak, but there are some promising young guys on their way up.
The shooting guards you mentioned are just . No way around it.
Jerry Sloan had an amazing system. So many times you'd see ty players look good in Utah. Bryon Russell looked like a legit starting SF in Sloan's system, but he was completely worthless once he left Utah even though he was only 32. Howard Eisley was an excellent backup point guard when playing for Sloan, but both before and after playing in Utah he was nothing more than an end of the bench guy. Of course the most glaring example is Deron Williams, who almost everyone considered the best point guard in the league when he was in Utah and who now is just a piece of with a big contract since going to the Nets. Sloan got so much out of such ty players, and Utah has been in a tailspin since losing him.
Utah didn't just lose their coach. They lost their best two players and a couple more that were solid when healthy (AK47 and Okur). They've been in the playoffs since Sloan left, which is more than you can say for the Wolves regardless who's coaching.
Sloan missed the playoffs 3 years running, then lost in the 1st round 3 years running. Once they broke through, it was a hard push for the conference finals, then down hill after that. I don't think Sloan did that much in Utah after Malone and Stockton.
Last edited by ClipperLuva; 08-24-2014 at 06:15 PM.
Center is a way stronger position than Shooting Guard in today's NBA. Dwight Howard is a way better player than James Harden. The next best shooting guards are Klay Thompson, Bradley Beal, DeMar Derozan, and TOSB Wade. And none of those four would be chosen by a GM ahead of Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah, Andre Drummond, or Demarcus Cousins. , I wonder if Harden would be chosen over them.
SG easily. At least the league currently has a couple HoF coaches currently employed among the mul ude of garbage. Meanwhile the best SG in the league is James ing Harden.
I like Dwight, but that is false. Also, what Centers are there besides Dwight? Davis is a PF isn't he? Center is just as weak as SG.
The league is plagued with forwards, small and power. The point guard position remains defined. Everything else has changed because of small ball and now we have taller players playing point guard and forward at the same damn time.
Are you Floyd Mayweather son?
The talent dropoff from Dwight to the other centers is about as bad as the SGs.
So you're taking Klay Thompson over Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah, Andre Drummond, and Demarcus Cousins?
Westbrook is a SG playing PG. So is Rose. If you include them into the SG pool it isn't close. If you exclude them Im still taking Beal, Curry, Thompson, Ellis over that center list in which 2 of them don't make any kind of impact on winning.
Wow, that was a ing stretch. No wonder they capped your pops tbh.
What if we threw Davis and LeBron into the center pool? Who would you pick then?
Westbrook and Rose are true PGs?
How about sticking Blake, Love, Ibaka, Aldridge, and Horford in the center pool also?
This completely misses the point and makes no sense even in a joking fashion. Westbrook and Rose play the point because they are athletic and can win one on one matchups, not because they can run a team well.
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