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  1. #1676
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    lol it wouldn't matter if I was a lazy or not because it's there for all to see. You still haven't admitted you were wrong so you're lying once again.
    If it is there for all to see, but you won't outline it, the default is to simply reject it as false, barring evidence. Your claim, your burden of proof.

    Lazy again, and all your junior high posturing won't change that, dude.

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    If you are pointing out "flaws" in others reasoning - yet - no one can define what "god" is -


    Then you are probably lower on the stupidity level than anyone - because you cannot possibly know they are flaws - nor can anyone else - yet you condescendingly assume you are correct and they are not. Pretty flawed reasoning.

    It has been fun pointing out how wrong and stupid your reasoning is.
    Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

    tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
    fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
    fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
    do recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.[5]
    Sure. Whatever you say.

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    Uh-huh. You asked for evidence, it was given to you, and you pretend you weren't given anything.

    You don't really care about what is true, and that is pretty obvious. Create a thread, run away.

    meh.

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    That has been covered at JW meetings, nothing of importance.
    So your "free thinking" and "open mind" about the JW bible extends only as far as what you are told to think about it.

    Do you hold any opinion about what the Bible says that differs from JW orthodoxy, i.e. what the elders say about it?

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    we all know this.
    lol subtle change doesn't change the meaning.

    "we all" = "everyone"

    You're still held up on this lie.

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    Since nobody "here" has a clue how DNA came into existence, I have no choice but to go with what the intelligent people who understand this stuff believe...."nothing as complex as DNA could possbilty come about by chance, it would be impossible".

    Now it's football time little people, see ya!
    It isn't actually "chance".

    Component molecules of RNA and DNA are commonly occurring organic molecules found in the soup of our forming solar system.

    Molecules and chemistry follow some very specific patterns, dictated in no small part by the categories we see in the periodic table.

    Sodium does not "randomly" (HA!) bond with any other atom, it more readily bonds with other ions that have the appropriate amount of "extra" electrons.

    Organic molecules as units follow similar, observable, reproducible patterns.

    Lipids clump, smaller building block are pre-disposed to go together in certain ways, and catalytic reactions do the rest.

    There is more than a little research done on it, and none of it requires an intelligent "guiding hand" to kick off.

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    It isn't actually "chance".

    Component molecules of RNA and DNA are commonly occurring organic molecules found in the soup of our forming solar system.

    Molecules and chemistry follow some very specific patterns, dictated in no small part by the categories we see in the periodic table.

    Sodium does not "randomly" (HA!) bond with any other atom, it more readily bonds with other ions that have the appropriate amount of "extra" electrons.

    Organic molecules as units follow similar, observable, reproducible patterns.

    Lipids clump, smaller building block are pre-disposed to go together in certain ways, and catalytic reactions do the rest.

    There is more than a little research done on it, and none of it requires an intelligent "guiding hand" to kick off.
    Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

    So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

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    So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?
    yep just like that, it all happened in 5 minutes

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    If you keep misrepresenting my posts and putting words in my mouth, I will rightfully call it out every time. If you have some delusion that it proves your point, then that is your issue and your issue alone.

    -implying that i ever said 4.6 billion years is not a long time...
    -implying that i ever said evolution doesn't need DNA (which it doesn't, actually. RNA is sufficient genetic material to yield genetic variation). nevertheless, bringing up a point i never made prior

    I can see my last post went right over your head.

    Also it seems your so worried about what I think you may have said that you forget it's all still here for us to read.

    I said to post something your willing to support and I will be happy to help you see where your misguided and you have not done so. I was willing to start fresh and your so stuck on words in your mouth rants it's interfering in the debate.

    A perfect example is you telling xmas1997 it took 5 minutes and when I call you out you don't post any evidence you go on another rant.

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    Also it seems your so worried about what I think you may have said that you forget it's all still here for us to read.
    go ahead, have at it

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    Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

    So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?
    I don't know exactly how the first self-replicating molecules came about, nor do I have to.

    It isn't hard to buy once one learns a bit about chemistry.

    Do you think that because we haven't explained it, and my never be able to conclusively do so, that means some god thing did it?

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    Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

    So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?
    For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

    Anyone want to see which one Avante is committing?

    Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).
    Argument from incredulity/Lack of imagination[edit]
    Arguments from incredulity take the form:

    P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
    I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.
    Argument from self-knowing (auto-epistemic)[edit]
    Arguments from self-knowing take the form:

    If P were true then I would know it; in fact I do not know it; therefore P cannot be true.
    If P were false then I would know it; in fact I do not know it; therefore P cannot be false.
    I will give an internet cookie to the first person who figures out which logical fallacy is being used in his post...

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    So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?
    How did your master designer get here?

    Here I am!!!!

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    I don't know exactly how the first self-replicating molecules came about,
    then admit your guessing at best

    nor do I have to.
    you do if you want to continue debating

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    you do if you want to continue debating
    not true. "i don't know" or "we don't know" are perfectly acceptable answers. pretending to know something is worse than accepting that it is an unknown because it closes the book on the topic

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    For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

    Anyone want to see which one Avante is committing?






    I will give an internet cookie to the first person who figures out which logical fallacy is being used in his post...
    argument from incredulity/lack of imagination

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    not true. "i don't know" or "we don't know" are perfectly acceptable answers. pretending to know something is worse than accepting that it is an unknown because it closes the book on the topic
    He's got ya there, mate.

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    For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

    Anyone want to see which one Avante is committing?







    I will give an internet cookie to the first person who figures out which logical fallacy is being used in his post...
    Or we can always go with...

    Avante....so where did RNA/DNA originate?
    RandomGuy....well..yakyakblahblahblahyakblahetcetc etcyaketyyak and on and on and on and on.
    Avante...so ya don't know, right?
    RandomGuy...ok ok....right.

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    He's got ya there, mate.

    psssssst! its a debate not paper rock scissors.

    all I read is bull circular reasoning and lame excuses for not having any evidence for Evolution and to think I actually thought there was intelligent people in this debate topic.


    Intelligent question: "Post evidence of Evolution."

    Misguided Evolution supporters : " No one knows" "Science is still exploring" "I never said there was no DNA" "your setting up a strawman"

    "I don't have to know how matter got here" "it took place its in the science books"

    Intelligent question: So how did the matter form and why did it explode?

    Misguided Evolution supporters : " No one knows" "Science is still exploring" "I never said there was no DNA" "your setting up a strawman"

    "I don't have to know how matter got here" "it took place its in the science books"


    I can't believe RandomLie pulled out the "Soup" card that is so lame.

    I told you misguided Darwin supporters They found a mathematical code in the DNA that Science can't explain the code shows up in all life on earth the Evolution debated ended years ago Darwin lost big. Stop making yourselves look so ignorant and post some evidence already!



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    RandomLie explain this


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    Debunk this if you can


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    / End of Debate


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    RandomLie explain this

    this has nothing of substance in it at all

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    Debunk this if you can

    darwin was in the 1800's, the video says 'scientific advancements debunked it" and yet the maggot experiment they refer to was ran in the 1600's. by darwins time they were WELL aware that spontaneous generation was not a thing

    i also love how it brings up the miller-urey experiment and says "the gas composition was wrong" because when they redid the same experiment with the corrected composition it actually gave rise to EVEN MORE diverse molecules

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    THE BIG BANG...poof-DNA

    A Master Designer...DNA.

    Boy that's a tuff one.

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