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maybe what you've been calling "a master designer"...
WAS the big bang
So who made the master designer?
maybe what you've been calling "a master designer"...
WAS the big bang
maybe what you've been calling "a master designer"...
WAS the big bang
This is actually not a preposterous notion, there is that possibility, yet it seems rather improbable.
But just because it is beyond our comprehension of a "master designer", does not make that an impossibility either IMHO.
It seems more logical to imagine this was all due to a master designer as a sentient en y than the big bang as a sentient master designer.
But then you can also extrapolate that the "big bang" may indeed be sentient as well as anything cold be.
Paradox?
i dont actually consider the big bang to be a master designer. that view would obviously would have its own inconsistencies. on the other hand, at its simplest, it would appease both those who cling to the notion of a desire as well as those who understand that there is evidence that supports an outwardly expanding universe
however, the ultimate purpose of scientific theory ISN'T to appease to people
Which is the argument from ignorance fallacy.
"we don't know", therefore "god did it".
If your thinking on this subject is shown to be consistently flawed, why do you not change your position?
Are you really that stupid or do you just act like it? When did he say anything about God? ID/Creator doesn't mean a God had to create the universe/life.
That is correct. Avante was using the argument from incredulity logical fallacy. If you and I ever get to a GTG, I will be happy to buy you an RL beer.
Well, I consider creating the universe by oneself pretty godlike.
And what have you ever posted in this topic that has any "substance"?
To say a high quality video that breaks down the very core of this conversation with not only facts but educated answers a non "substance" reply shows how ignorant and desperate you are trying to some how win some sort of lame online smack off instead of really maybe learning something.
I kinda knew i was wasting my time trying to get an intelligent debate going in this forum and spurraider21 conformed it.
I am actually disappointed of the lack of mentality.
come to the LA area, or specifically malibu during the week
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The man still has it!
i say it has no substance because the video itself makes no claims. there are no conclusions that you can draw from it that relate to the evolution vs creationism/intelligent design discussion. it basically says that mathematical constants are very specific numbers. well no , that's what makes them constants. its like saying its shocking that the area of a 2 by 2 square is EXACTLY 4 square units, and if it was any less or any more it would destroy much of our understandings of math. well no .
the video isn't making a point, which is why i say it has no substance
Serious question.Classic ChumpDumper reply.
The man still has it!
I'm not sure I have the energy but here goes.....
In order for the Universe to function all the galaxies stars planets moons etc...have to orbit rotate and spin precisely in tune in order for us to exist.
The video shows the possibility of some random explosion to create the perfect tuned universe are one billion trillion to one, a number that is impossible to achieve.
It would be like me hitting the power ball lotto straight every week for one million years. The only thing harder to achieve is maybe trying to educate you.
Yes but you didn't ask me.
you dont think the universe would function? what the does that mean?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA100.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
http://www.toolkitforthinking.com/cr...al-incredulity
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.p...ad_ignorantiam
Logically flawed, and therefore rejected. Pick a link, pick several, they all essentially say the same. It is a bunk argument, and not even very new.
Further, I would state the the theory of evolution does not rely or depend on naturalistic abiogenesis.
NO! Also Science said so, go after your buddies.
Like I said I don't think I have the energy.what the does that mean?
DID SOMEONE SAY RANDOM??!?!?!?
"a billion trillion to one"?
The only way to get that is to create a very large number of universes, let their physics randomly (HA!) be determined, and calculate the probability based on that data.
Have the producers of the video created sextillions (a billion trillion) of universes in an experiment to determine this probability?
The sane, honest answer is:
No, they didn't. They pulled that estimate out of their ass.
what is a "non-functioning" universe and how is it different from a "functioning" universe?NO! Also Science said so, go after your buddies.
Like I said I don't think I have the energy.
(shrugs)
Be happy to take it back, if you can get him to, you know, actually post in his own thread, and clearly state what he is asserting.
Call me when you get that.
Until then, I will be limited to good faith efforts at deciphering his drive-by's.
something that created our universe, planet, and the life on it would be referred to as a god. not necessarily the same god you pray to.
one is like me, I am a design of some sort of Intelligent source.
The other is like you, the byproduct of a faulty design. Your nothing but what some call in the design industry, irregular like when you buy irregular jeans for 1/2 price. (there is a flaw some where) your the piece of plastic on the floor somewhere in China put there by the 11 year old girl who produces 40 of them in 90 seconds to receive 50 dollars a year. Even if your faulty DNA design gets past the asleep inspector that got the job by having sex with the boss and agreed to only 25 dollars a year lets you pass.........Your still going end up a misfit toy on misfit island
Your Universe exploded from Nothing? how stupid is that ?
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you didn't answer my question. what is a "non functioning universe" and what makes it fundamentally different than a "functioning universe"
EXACTLY 20.
in fact, 10 + 10 can't even be a FRACTION less or a FRACTION more, then universe wouldn't be functioning! this is groundbreaking stuff. 10+10 being EXACTLY 20, not even infinitesimally more or less than 20, is proof that we have a divine creator who made this perfect system where 10+10 is exactly 20. this is proof that evolution is wrong
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