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This kind of makes my point.
Well, I don't disagree with any of that, but Love is a top 10 talent and CLE is a place (even with Lebron) that has had trouble attracting that level of talent. They made a move for something unproven (Wiggins) to get something that is known and immediately (even with chemistry issues at first) makes them a legit contender. Hard not to do that.
Love is a damn good fit IMO and they can always try and find a complimentary piece defensively easier than they could get a Love (they had to trade for someone and those types aren't always available). In theory I agree and I have the feeling (unless it's just works perfectly as is) they will trade Kyrie. So they aren't dead yet.
But their ownership better be ready to pay up if this works and they plan on keeping everyone together. They still have plenty of youth and much of it will need to be paid a lot more than they currently are in the upcoming years.
This kind of makes my point.
i don't think so, it's more about good teams not getting good rookies than about good rookies not performing.
Disagree, but the proof is there. Rookies, for whatever reason, haven't helped le teams in reality. It's exceedingly rare to have a major impact, let alone any impact. Plenty of good teams (playoff teams) have gotten good rookies.
well you said won, that narrows the target by a huge margin tbh.. There's plenty who contributed and almost won, and most of the time they were good defenders.
Kyrie = overrated.
Love = overrated
Lebron = overrated
A. Bennett = underrated
Cavs = overrated
I came to say exactly that. For many things:
1) It's a lot easier to get talented PGs that can contribute to a chamipnship than wings. I would have rather keep a 6'8'' guy with great potential that at worst can become a solid D and 3 guy, than a talented PG that plays no D. You keep Wiggins and then sign someone to handle the rock, be adecuate on defense and hit the occasional open jumper, ex: Steve Blake, Darren Collinson, Ramon Sessions, Mario Chalmers (proving he isn't done), Aaron Brooks, Mo Williams, Bayless, etc, etc, etc. the talent pool on the PG position is way deeper.
2) The money. If Wiggins turns out to be somewhat close to what everyone expects having him signed on a rookie contract for a couple of years gives you great cap space flexibility.
3) I really wanted to see Lebron and Wiggins playing toghether.
Well, why would the Wolves want Kyrie over Wiggins? That changes the variable easily and other offers were better than Maxed Out Kyrie (plus they have Rubio).
I can't see both Varejao and Thompson back in 2015. It just won't make sense to have that many highly paid front-court players on the same team. I also don't see Waiters back if James is serious about getting a max deal with the new 2016 cap. So to me, it's not so much a Wiggins vs Love thing as it is an Irving vs Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson and Waiters thing.
It's also sad that they're going to end up wasting their dust chip because they won't be able to acquire a player in a S&T next season.
Could have easily sent him to a third team with assets like Sacramento or Orlando.
I just doubt that out of the reported offer, any other asset outside of Wiggins would be more appealing to Minny.
More appealing than what, though? The Cavs just had to beat Golden State's offer. Minny had no real leverage.
This is where I disagree with many who say that. If Love was the apple of CLE's eye (which appears to be the case right or wrong) Minny had plenty of leverage. If CLE wanted Love, their only chance was to trade. They could not attain him in FA. There were plenty of teams who wanted Love (GS, CHI, PHX) that had nice assets.
No 3rd party team assets in a deal moving Kyrie landed Minny their favorite target: Wiggins. If they couldn't get Wiggins, then I think the reported deals probably would also interest Minny more than either landing Kyrie or the assets from moving Kyrie to a third team.
I'm just devastated my Wiggins2Lebron troll idea isn't going to pan out... I thought it had great potential, tbh..
Did we even hear about any other offers? We heard about interested teams, but the most I heard was Chicago trying to trade scraps or Golden State being unwilling to part with Thompson. Phoenix offered Bledsoe (worse than Irving) and mid-first-rounders. The Cavs deal was the best by far.
Minny had no leverage. The whole "You really want this guy," thing isn't leverage at all. Cleveland had two All-Stars; the Wolves had a disgruntled star who told them he was definitely leaving if they didn't trade him to the team of his choice. Sure, Minny could have decided to take a worst package just to spite Cleveland, but if that's the case, it's pretty much hopeless anyway. And the Cavs could have easily made the room to sign Love next summer had they been willing to move Irving. It's his max deal that would have made it difficult to get enough cap space together.
This is just like the Chandler situation. The Cavs paid a price they could live with, even though they paid significantly more than they had to. It's up to them to make sure it's worth it in the end. But constantly losing the value game is how you end up squandering assets over and over. Minny knows all about that.
if you put it that way, cleveland had no reason to trade for love in the first place.. also they had no reason to sign irving to a max that soon either.
If healthy, yes. But he's been an injury waiting to happen. Has he ever played a full season since high school? Gotta be dependable. Oh and he's a playoff virgin - much like Love.
You count cole but not manu lmfao
Well manu was a top 5 player in the world even before coming to SA, so it's a bit unfair.
He is better than any year Parker
This is not B
No he was not.
But, he did more than Cole to win the 'ship in his rookie year.
Lol didn't realize you'd said this. This is exactly what I've been saying. Those rookie deals are way too good to pass up on. A 17-18 million PG ain't worth it unless they're a complete difference maker anyways... (or if you have no other choice, like what they thought when they signed that contract)
if by world you mean all those places 'MERICA polices, it's debatable
How many trolls do you still use, El? I havent seen many good ones lately and I would expect big things if it was yours.
Voted no....
But I will say he's not that far off. Give him a couple years...maybe a couple deep playoff runs...and I might change my mind.
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