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J.J Barea rumored to be brought out if he can't be moved by Minnesota
http://live.startribune.com/Event/Ti..._Monday?Page=1
if Baynes doesn't occupy the 15 roster spot.
he would be a nice guard for depth at PG
1) Oh, the irony of Christmas troll ing about derailing the thread when he was the first guy to go off-topic.Talk to the hand, both of you, or quit derailing the thread.
2) "Talk to the hand"? Now I understand why Christmas troll has 1997 in his username - all his insults are from that decade.
On the topic: Baynes will have to make more changes to his game than Ayers to lock down that 4th big role and justify an increase in salary. For all of Ayers's well-do ented faults, he can still easily lock down that role with a reliable jump shot.
J.J Barea rumored to be brought out if he can't be moved by Minnesota
http://live.startribune.com/Event/Ti..._Monday?Page=1
if Baynes doesn't occupy the 15 roster spot.
he would be a nice guard for depth at PG
I don't think Barea's going to settle for being the third/fourth PG when Mills comes back, and he isn't likely to take an unguaranteed contract.
"A mi me duelen las costillas. Pero a Kobe el ego."
I'll always be a bit of a Barea fan for that line.
But I don't really want him.
Which one is it?
His stats are pathetic. This is not an intangibles player, who's value is extremely difficult to measure through stats, like Bowen.You have a marked inability to actually discuss play and grandstand on stats. I don't feel like looking the ones you conjured up either but it's nice to know that you are satisfied with inferior stats in your statistical analysis.
You can like whoever you want, for whatever reason(s) you want. All I'm saying is, don't pretend he's significantly better than he is because you like him or because of a few 20 and 10's against inferior compe ion.
And a gross generalization on stats. Nice. It's like your oblivious as to the entire point in using stats. You still seem woefully unable to actually discuss basketball as it is played on the court.
You are the fan version of a statpadder.
Dude, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. He just completely clowned your ass by pointing out multiple contradictions in your statements in this thread.
It was a singular contradiction and I am willing to admit that I misspoke.
It is besides the central point as to whether or not Baynes rotation are effective. I still contend they are and he has gotten much better at not fouling in the process of doing it.
And you have about as much objectivity and insight regarding this subject as xmas does in anything at all.
That kind of stuff happens in a thread discussing end of the bench players. Of course we could just all agree it doesn't matter one bit and delete this thread entirely. We Spurs fans definitely have it good when all we have to discuss is Baynes vs Ayres.
You can attempt to spin this however you like, but the bottom line is this: Baynes is a fringe player. If he were any more than that, they wouldn't clearly be okay with him potentially not returning, when they have plenty of flexibility and a lack a clear fourth big.
If Baynes were five years younger, the Spurs would be having to fight off other teams trying to give Aron a ton of money. But the reality is that Baynes is going to be 28 in a few months. He's not some player oozing with potential. He's a guy with a decent skill-set but who suffers from fatal flaws that he most likely will never move past. He's no different than Ian Mahinmi in that regard. Ian is only a month older than Aron, by the by.
Could he be productive in a bigger role? Sure. Would the Spurs ever really miss him if he leaves? Nope. There are better bigs on the market still, and next year should be just as promising.
The Sixers are expected to waive Thabeet, Chinook. Would you rather we take him over Baynes? I'm not so sure. What do you think?
Lol. Nope. Thabeet's a scrub. He's been hacked since Blair clowned him in college. I'd take Udoh in a heartbeat, though.
The fact that Thabeet couldn't get off the end of the bench on a team that sorely needed help up front the past couple of seasons is very telling. Especially since he barely saw court time during Games 1 & 2 of the WCF when OKC was desperate for any big man help.
The age thing is a weak play. Age literally means nothing. It's a media hyped facade
Please enlighten us. But forget about to and this team who some how have gotten better with age
Lol. The team got better because they got younger. They fell apart because they were too old.
Not really. They fell apart because of players getting minutes. Tim is obviously better than a couple years ago. Saying 28 is old is ignorant. Buying into the hype is what costs teams money and rings for a tall useless young player
Lol. That's why I usually just laugh. The Spurs are younger than they were three years ago. Them being young has allowed for the Big Three to be old. Anyway, Baynes isn't too old to play basketball by any means. He's just too old to be this bad at it.
Spin it? I don't think like 'spin.' That is pop media jargon.
The Spurs offered him the qualifying offer indicating a club interest in retaining him. What is spin is claiming that you have one clue about what the Spurs would 'be fine with.' It's bull you are making up as the Spurs run one of the tightest ships in sports.
You have brought up blocks stats and acting like that was representative. You then brought up others stats that would be better representation and act like that is something missing from my analysis when you are the one basing your position on stats. You still seem oblivious to the significance of that as you just ignore it.
You still cannot talk about basketball as it is played on the court. You have ignored discussion about his weakside rotations, rebounding technique and shot selection.
I am interested in one of Baynes, Splitter, or Duncan being on the court to be able to make that weakside rotation and disrupt shots. Diaw, Bonner, etc are too easy to jump over. Ayres has poor quickness and even worse coordination. We have all watched the layup drills when a pairing of those last 3 are on the floor.
The compe ion is Ayers and I have no illusion that Baynes is going to turn into a truly dynamic player but I know that he can make that rotation, defend the pnr and post from opposing 5's and some 4's, and play a very physical, athletic brand of basketball. The biggest problem I see with him is the offense where he likes to freelance, dribble the ball a lot, and brick jumpers. Pop would pull him after drives from the high post and similar shenanigans
If they really cared, they'd have raised their offer. It's not a matter of the tax or him wanting a significant number (though he's not worth he $1.9M he's supposedly looking for) that's going to clog their books long term.
I only brought up the block percentage because you claimed he was a shot blocker, genius. Stats, eye test, it doesn't matter; the conclusion is the same: Baynes is a fringe player. Too bad you can't handle that and are having an emotional breakdown over it.
"Weakside rotations". Look at you, trying to sound intelligent. Give it up.
It's called using an empirical approach and actually discuss basketball as its played on the court. It's funny watching people try and attach an emotional meaning to this. Projection is interesting.If they really cared, they'd have raised their offer. It's not a matter of the tax or him wanting a significant number (though he's not worth he $1.9M he's supposedly looking for) that's going to clog their books long term.
I only brought up the block percentage because you claimed he was a shot blocker, genius. Stats, eye test, it doesn't matter; the conclusion is the same: Baynes is a fringe player. Too bad you can't handle that and are having an emotional breakdown over it.
I can't blame him for trying to cash in on his NBA experience.
I would like him back for a couple more seasons, even if he ends up being a limited talent. He now has about 1.5 seasons under his belt and players coming from overseas normally take a couple of seasons to adjust to the NBA.
Right now he's 'serviceable' and he's useful against certain matchups (OKC, Portland), especially when Tiago is in foul trouble, due to his length. He's also unlikely to move to a 'great player' tier, which is fine for a team like the Spurs.
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