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You can, and I am.
Couldn't you just ask me this directly?
You're telling me there's nothing the Cavs could do to dump salary in a way to sign love?
You can, and I am.
It's not just you, bro. People have been saying this for weeks.
Anyway, no. Love is going to make about $4 Million more than he is this year. Irving is going to make at least $8 Million more. They'd be pushing the cap with just James, Irving and Waiters. They couldn't fit Love under this year. How on Earth were they going to next year?
Tbh I just thought it'd be nice to direct it at a guy who had that thought who was currently posting in the thread.
& Lebron has his player option though and Waiters is a team option. Do they stay on the books even after they've declined them? I would assume they would go off the books, but they'd lose bird rights-- but I also know jack about any of this off my head.
They would still have their cap holds.
Okay thats what I meant, I wasn't sure when their cap holds expired.
When they are renounced or when the player signs a new contract. Otherwise, they last forever, as the Spurs can attest to. They still have Robert Horry's hold.
Looking forward to Irving, Love watching James try to bail them out when the hits the fan...
Ah yeah, that's also what I meant by "declined" the option. Couldn't think of the word for it. I mean it's kinda what makes sense...
and in that case I don't see why they couldn't have signed Love. Yeah, not with their current roster in place...but you've always got the option to resign Lebron to lower his cap hold.
Cap is projected at 66.5 for 15-16.
Guaranteed amounts
Irving at 18.28 (27.5% of the cap)
Wiggins at 5.758
Joe Harris at .845
Total: 24.883
Expected signings
Lebron at 21.574
Love at 19.95 (30% of the cap)
Total: 41.524
Roster Charges: 4,200,784
So that's 70.6M, so they'd just have to get a combo of Love/Lebron/Wiggins to take 4.1 mil less...
You'd have to renounce these guys, or convince Love/Lebron again to take less to keep either of Bennett or Waiters.
Thompson at 7.15
Bennett at 5.7
Waiters at 5.1
So I mean what am I missing here? Because it definitely seems plausible on paper if what I'm writing is correct
Wiggins can't take less. He's already under contract. So that's one issue. Also, Waiters and Bennett are under contract this season. They'd had to decline their options (and then renounce their cap holds -- those two things are different) in October of this season, well before they could have gotten a commitment from Love. They'd have also had to stash or trade away all their first-round picks and give up all except the room exception. They'd have to renounce Varejao and every other free agent (like Thompson. They couldn't even S&T him, since they'd need to decline his QO before renouncing him, taking away any leverage).
With Wiggins I'm going ahead with the assumption that the Cavs are actually thinking a year in advance when signing his contract.
Rest of the post seems plausible though. Tbh they've got just as much assurance that Love will stay in 2015-16+ with that scenario as they do right now.
No one ever said making super-superteams would be easy.
The first-overall pick VERY rarely signs for less than 120 percent of the rookie scale. The only one I can think of doing so was Bargnani, who only did so because of his buyout. It makes no sense to ask him to take $1.5 Million less so that they can have a little more money to throw at some guy who may or may not have gone to them.
It wouldn't be about Love "staying". It would be about him signing in the first place. Love wouldn't be a Cav this season under your scenario, so they wouldn't have his Bird rights. Some other team would get him, his Bird rights and the best chance to keep him. Love's clearly about the money in large part, so even if he wanted to play with James, he'd probably re-sign with his new team. So they'd end up cutting two top-five picks and shedding another couple picks just to have a chance to sign Love. It makes much more sense for them to just trade all those things to actually secure him.Rest of the post seems plausible though. Tbh they've got just as much assurance that Love will stay in 2015-16+ with that scenario as they do right now.
It'd be a lot easier had they moved Irving instead.No one ever said making super-superteams would be easy.
Tbh, this would be a very rare scenario also though. I wouldn't think he'd take a mil less, but 500k? I remember Kawhi didn't take the max he could have as a rookie, didn't he? (wouldn't surprise me if I'm remembering this one wrong though)
Yeah this is the hardest part of the plan. I'm guessing the Wolves allowed the Cavs to talk to Love before the trade. So they'd have to feel him out then to see what he's thinking. I'm not so sure money is the most important thing here though. He'd been saying that he wasn't going to stay in Minnesota after this season, so he'd be giving up his shot at that extra year by leaving them. (& I think the Wolves would have just held onto him to hope he stayed since before the Cavs upbid themselves, no one was offering .) Who knows if he'd actually follow through with it.It wouldn't be about Love "staying". It would be about him signing in the first place. Love wouldn't be a Cav this season under your scenario, so they wouldn't have his Bird rights. Some other team would get him, his Bird rights and the best chance to keep him. Love's clearly about the money in large part, so even if he wanted to play with James, he'd probably re-sign with his new team. So they'd end up cutting two top-five picks and shedding another couple picks just to have a chance to sign Love. It makes much more sense for them to just trade all those things to actually secure him.
Thompson is never gonna be a contender quality role player. (this is worded badly, but I mean like one of those role players everyone knows by name) His best shot at staying with the Cavs is to change his game to become more of a garbage man rather than the black hole he is now. Or just wait for the inevitable Love/Varejao injuries...
Bennett/Waiters would be a loss, but at that point if you think you've got a great shot at landing Love then you're asking yourself is Wiggins worth it over those 2 guys? He is. Plus I'm guessing teams w/ exceptions would be willing to take em on for future picks or something.
Definitely. He's not worth the cap room he's taking up. Not when you've got this many potential stars to replace him for cheaper.It'd be a lot easier had they moved Irving instead.
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