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    An option for clearing a roster spot could be moving Ayers (and or Daye) to Phily who would, in turn, be able to waive him, with his salary still counting towards their cap. Thats a good thing because they are so far below the cap floor (Philly has little more than half of the $56 million needed to reach 90% of the salary cap).
    I don't see dumping contracts on a third team as a possibility. It seems like a small possibility that the Spurs would take on 2015 salary. It seems like a smaller one that they'd trade a pick for the privilege. And it seems like the smallest possibility of all that they give up a pick for 2015 cap while also giving up an asset to a third team to dump salary. I guess Brewer or Martin from Minnesota might be a better option, especially if Minny wants to dump some of their small contracts. The main issue with Denver is that the only players they have whose salaries can combine with Chandler are their recent draft picks. All of their vets have mid-sized deals.

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    I don't see dumping contracts on a third team as a possibility. It seems like a small possibility that the Spurs would take on 2015 salary. It seems like a smaller one that they'd trade a pick for the privilege. And it seems like the smallest possibility of all that they give up a pick for 2015 cap while also giving up an asset to a third team to dump salary. I guess Brewer or Martin from Minnesota might be a better option, especially if Minny wants to dump some of their small contracts. The main issue with Denver is that the only players they have whose salaries can combine with Chandler are their recent draft picks. All of their vets have mid-sized deals.
    I actually meant A two team deal to clear roster spots with Philly taking on multiple deals ,potentially, and being free to waive them afterwards. They could send back a protected future 2nd rounder or a top 55 protected 2nd rounder for 2015. Essentially they'd give up nothing and move slightly closer to getting to the cap floor.

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    I actually meant A two team deal to clear roster spots with Philly taking on multiple deals ,potentially, and being free to waive them afterwards. They could send back a protected future 2nd rounder or a top 55 protected 2nd rounder for 2015. Essentially they'd give up nothing and move slightly closer to getting to the cap floor.
    Philly doesn't give away cap space for free.They have no incentive to reach the floor by taking on that kind of salary. What I was saying was that the Spurs aren't going to pay for both the player they want and they players they have to move.

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    That would actually give the Spurs 3 PFs (unless you mean players not including Duncan) Duncan-Diaw-Bonner with Kyle Anderson potentially playing some PF off the bench.
    Save for a few select match-ups, Duncan can't defend PF's anymore, so even though he's technically listed as the starting PF, that's really only true offensively.


    As for Ayon, I don't buy that they're interested in him in addition to Baynes. Sure, they could potentially package Ayres with Daye and pay to dump them on the 76ers, but if they were really interested in Ayon, they either wouldn't have qualified Baynes, picked up Daye's option or both, to begin with.

    The Spurs' offer is probably of the non-guaranteed variety. If he accepts and looks significantly better than Ayres/Baynes in training camp/preseason, then they'll make room for him.

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    I don't see dumping contracts on a third team as a possibility. It seems like a small possibility that the Spurs would take on 2015 salary. It seems like a smaller one that they'd trade a pick for the privilege. And it seems like the smallest possibility of all that they give up a pick for 2015 cap while also giving up an asset to a third team to dump salary. I guess Brewer or Martin from Minnesota might be a better option, especially if Minny wants to dump some of their small contracts. The main issue with Denver is that the only players they have whose salaries can combine with Chandler are their recent draft picks. All of their vets have mid-sized deals.
    Belinelli would ,likely, be move in both trade scenarios involving Minny along with Ayers but for a legit backup 3 or an upgrade at the 2, is worth it.

    I could see Minny doing both deals, especially Martins. Shipping Martin out for Ayers and Belinelli would save them $2 million this season and nearly $14.5 million the two following seasons.

    I'd like to see the Martin deal happen, especially if Kawhi gets his 5 year max.

    If they do the Brewer deal then Ray Allen would make more sense.

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    Save for a few select match-ups, Duncan can't defend PF's anymore, so even though he's technically listed as the starting PF, that's really only true offensively.


    As for Ayon, I don't buy that they're interested in him in addition to Baynes. Sure, they could potentially package Ayres with Daye and pay to dump them on the 76ers, but if they were really interested in Ayon, they either wouldn't have qualified Baynes, picked up Daye's option or both, to begin with.

    The Spurs' offer is probably of the non-guaranteed variety. If he accepts and looks significantly better than Ayres/Baynes in training camp/preseason, then they'll make room for him.
    I've considered Duncan a center for sometime now, It just seems odd to call Splitter a PF. I guess both are centers though.

    I'm not all that convinced that the Spurs are that "determined" to bring Baynes back. It seems that the situation has dragged out farther than they expected and they know that they are in limbo until October 1st when they can rescind the deal. I think they want him back but for not much, if any, more than the QO. They probably would have offered it by now. I see him playing overseas next season.

    Ayon seems to be similar to Baynes, probably a better finisher around the rim and a comparable rebounder. I agree, It doesn't make much sense for the Spurs to have both.

    Curious to know what you think about the Spurs interest in Ray Allen.

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    I actually meant A two team deal to clear roster spots with Philly taking on multiple deals ,potentially, and being free to waive them afterwards. They could send back a protected future 2nd rounder or a top 55 protected 2nd rounder for 2015. Essentially they'd give up nothing and move slightly closer to getting to the cap floor.

    They don't have to get to the cap floor for any reason. If they fail to do so they just have to split the amount short with all the players on the roster. So they just basically double everyones salary.+

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    I've considered Duncan a center for sometime now, It just seems odd to call Splitter a PF. I guess both are centers though.

    I'm not all that convinced that the Spurs are that "determined" to bring Baynes back. It seems that the situation has dragged out farther than they expected and they know that they are in limbo until October 1st when they can rescind the deal. I think they want him back but for not much, if any, more than the QO. They probably would have offered it by now. I see him playing overseas next season.

    Ayon seems to be similar to Baynes, probably a better finisher around the rim and a comparable rebounder. I agree, It doesn't make much sense for the Spurs to have both.

    Curious to know what you think about the Spurs interest in Ray Allen.
    They're definitely both C's, but in order to function together, Duncan has to play PF offensively and Splitter has to defensively.

    Me neither. Clearly, they'd prefer to, probably for the sake of continuity more than anything, but if he signed in Europe, I don't think they'd really care either. Besides, if Ayon could ever stay healthy, he'd probably be an upgrade anyway.


    Regarding Allen: Probably just messing around, seeing if by some chance (and considering they can't offer a rotation spot, only a good portion of the MLE would give them even a slim chance) they can keep him from the Cavs or Clippers.

    As much as there's nothing separating him from Belinelli overall at this point other than his name, his perpetual motion/utilization of screens still causes problems for defenses.

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    On a tangent, Joe Ingles looks like a perfect Spur to me and would solve our lack of a backup 3. He's not quick, but he is smart, tough, great passer, decent shooter, and has big cahones. Of course, we'd have to dump Daye or Ayers to make it happen. Incidentally, he seems to be off contract...

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    On a tangent, Joe Ingles looks like a perfect Spur to me and would solve our lack of a backup 3. He's not quick, but he is smart, tough, great passer, decent shooter, and has big cahones. Of course, we'd have to dump Daye or Ayers to make it happen. Incidentally, he seems to be off contract...
    What's his athleticism like? How is his defense? How would he compare to Belineli on the defensive end of the court? Would he be an upgrade over him on that end of the court, if not, not really interested.

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    The guys on ESPN just announced Baynes as "former Spur Aaron Baynes"

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    Interesting.....is it possible that ESPN has no clue as to what they are talking about?

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    Interesting.....is it possible that ESPN has no clue as to what they are talking about?
    isn't that always the case?

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    i hope they cut ayres or daye or both

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    i hope they cut ayres or daye or both
    Sweet, you going to pay the contracts so they can do it?

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    I think we can put the Ayon debate to bed. Baynes skull ed him.

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    I think we can put the Ayon debate to bed. Baynes skull ed him.
    so one game determines the better player? Fantastic

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    so one game determines the better player? Fantastic
    Well if little Mexico could win more than one game against a team not called Angolola, then maybe they could meet again in the quarterfinals or whatever.

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    lmfao at people still wondering if baynes is worth keeping, but declaring Kyle Anderson a franchise player. WHAT THE

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    It seems quite a few people around here will say anything to discredit Baynes.

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    Baynes has pushed up his price during the Worlds. What will we have to pay him now? 7mil/3yrs, maybe the full 9mil/3yrs we have left?

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    Baynes has pushed up his price during the Worlds. What will we have to pay him now? 7mil/3yrs, maybe the full 9mil/3yrs we have left?
    $1,115,243/ 1yr

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    Dump Ayers, sign Lorbek and resign Baynes. Wrap up the offseason.
    Can't believe people still want Lorbek. Dude is done. Even Errors might be better at the moment.

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    Baynes has pushed up his price during the Worlds. What will we have to pay him now? 7mil/3yrs, maybe the full 9mil/3yrs we have left?
    I think this was Baynes/his agent's plan all along. Spurs would probably match a 2 million per year offer but I don't see them going north of that.

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    Unless he gets another offer, this.

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