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The you say. Yeah, I'd just LOVE it if a world power fell apart and their economy disintegrated. It would be so great for everyone. Poniesandrainbows.jpg
you russiophobes never admit your true motive: you all want russia to fall so that there will be none left to stand up to cultural marxism.
The you say. Yeah, I'd just LOVE it if a world power fell apart and their economy disintegrated. It would be so great for everyone. Poniesandrainbows.jpg
freaking race traitor
links or you're full of
Would Russian interview with mother and girlfriend of 20-yr old who got blown to bits by Ukrainian GRAD fire in similar convoy with about 120 others do? On 13 August around Snizhne, where MH17 was brought down.
https://translate.google.com/transla...y%2F65075.html
Google translate obviously:
Nastya Anton called up every day, about the service, he told her much more than my mother. 23 or 25 July for the first time said, "We're going to war." Frightened Nastya asked only: "In Ukraine, there is no Russian?" - "We're going as a militia." Three or four days did not get in touch.
The second time, told Anton Nastya, they were sent to the Ukraine on August 3 for two days. City, date and purpose of the trip did not say Nastya thinks he did not know.
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August 10 Anton called home: "Mom, we are sent to Donetsk."
- I say, "Where? There's a war! You can not go there! "He:" Mom. That's what you think. " Only said, "were sent to help the militia. Do not worry, everything will be Chiki! "
Nastya Anton added that Ukraine will be two or three months, perhaps until November, without any communication.
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According to colleagues, the order to cross the border with Ukraine came on August 11. Those who refused, the command offended, ashamed, threatened with criminal prosecution. All do ents and ordered to surrender the phone, remove the form (all dressed in simple camouflage), on the technique to cover markings and numbers. On the hands and feet tied tight white bandages later Tumanova found in "VKontakte" photograph of his son with such bandages and his colleague comment: "This marks the identification friend or foe. Today, on foot, on the right hand tomorrow, and so on. D. Everything that moves without dressings - is destroyed. "
The night of 12 August, a column of 1,200 people went to the Ukraine and in the afternoon of the 13th stopped at the plant in Snizhne, Donetsk region, 15 kilometers from the border. Machines with ammunition and weapons put very crowded. Happy August 13 column hit of "Grad".
- The boys (co-workers. - ER) said that of the 1,200 people who died - 120 wounded - 450, - says Tumanova. - They themselves somewhere in the back were, and my Anton ahead. No trenches, no protection ... Panic, who is on the machines, in all directions. Were chosen as they could ...
In short, according to the description colleagues Anton operation victorious Russian army in a foreign land looked like this: with two grenades on the person and not prepared for the battle technique column of troops came to Ukraine came under the "Grads" - and a day later came back with 120 corpses.
This coming from someone whose links are, in fact, full of .
Hitler was right
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGfCTA_6wA
So you have been there and know this?
We all have to rely on news sources.
And yours are .
Believe as you wish and remain a dumbass.
"we"
I take it you were in on this grand conspiracy?
Fascinating.
Why don't you tell me all about it. I'm sure if it were real, you would be able to say exactly how it happened with ease, and who specifically was involved.
I would especially like to know how your conspiracy forced 800,000 people into protesting their government. Maybe some "I don't like authoritarian dictator puppets" ray that you zapped them with?
Because, as we all know people just love having authoritarian dictators running their countries so much that the only possible way they might object is if some outside force made them do it. That is just common sense.
Enlighten us. How did you do it?
There is more than enough independently verifiable evidence that corroborates all of this.Ukraineatwar.blogspot.com as a source
Maybe you think that the captured paratroopers just got "lost" and ended up 20 kilometers inside Ukraine?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213
Because, as we all know, paratroopers are horrible at land navigation. They never really train how to read maps and compasses. That is for super special forces and stuff. I can see how your skepticism is valid.
I'm sure the mothers and wives who have been burying their paratrooper sons/husbands in secret are making it up too.
http://news.yahoo.com/army-wives-urg...185525694.html
LOL ad hominem
Because the Russian army has sooo much credibility.
I can give you a similar link disproving your claim from the Russian army website
LOL false equivalence
Because the Russians would have no motive to lie, and Russian military intelligence is dedicated to the objective truth, and not what Putin tells them to say.
I would be willing to go so far as to say it is quite probable that Ukraine is actively making up, but there is more than enough evidence pointing in the same general direction.
Russian intelligence may not be wrong when they can find some fault in Ukrainian data, but if you think they are going to give you an unvarnished version or interpretation of any data, you are more than a little gullible.
He did it from a booth at Chili's in Arlington.
Nato has as much credibility or less than russian army. Nato created Lybia and wanted to help isis in syria
NATO is formed from liberal Democracies with strong traditions of free press. If they actively lie about things, people know, and generally that comes out in the end, especially as those having to formulate and tell the lies, or are aware of them, speak their conscience.Nato has as much credibility or less than russian army. Nato created Lybia and wanted to help isis in syria
This tends to make NATO and western military and governments far more reliable and honest than that of authoritarian ones.
Your assessment of NATO as having less credibility that the Russian defense ministry is therefore flawed.
Further, there are numerous first hand accounts of Russian troops now in Ukraine from independent sources.
If one can independently confirm what NATO has been saying, it is very reasonable, and logical to accept that they were telling the truth.
Once one has determined what is really happening on the ground, and it is directly contradicting everything the Russians have been saying, the true scope of Russian lies and propaganda becomes pretty clear.
Unless, of course, you have no critical thinking skills, and think that all information sources are somehow "equal", which is laughable.
I would be willing to bet you are a infowars junkie, as statements like that tend to indicate the types of flawed thinking that is pervasive in the conspiracy theory community.
You are aware that Western countries tend to have a free press, yes?
http://news.yahoo.com/defenders-mari...221845657.html
This is not the only report."Everyone can see what Putin says and what he does," said Dmytro Linkov, a commander in the pro-Kiev volunteer force, the Azov Battalion, on the barricades on the edge of the strategic city.
Earlier in the afternoon his men were attacked on the eastern approaches to Mariupol by what he claimed were regular Russian troops, wounding at least one of them. Four more are still missing, their equipment left abandoned as they retreated.
"Yesterday," he said, "we were going to have a ceasefire. And today, they (the Russians) move closer."
Now, even as Kiev prepares for talks with rebels on Friday to end the conflict that has killed some 2,600 people, there are fears that pro-Moscow rebels reinforced by what the West claims are regular Russian military units, could be preparing for a possible attack.
"Maybe they want to try to take Mariupol today," Linkov told AFP, standing in front of his checkpoint, next to a sign telling motorists they are leaving the city.
"They are getting closer, they are maybe 20 kilometres (12 miles) away," he said. "Two days ago, there were no more than ten (tanks), but now? Who knows?"
By nightfall, the rumble of artillery fire could be heard getting closer, with s s falling a few hundred metres from the checkpoint.
The West and Kiev say Russian troops are behind the lightning offensive that has seen pro-Moscow separatists seize back swathes of territory from government troops in recent weeks. The Kremlin flatly denied the charges.
Linkov said he is no doubt that the fighters he is facing are Russian.
They are so well-acquainted with the positions of armoured vehicles defending the city, he believes they must be working with aerial reconnaissance technology.
"We can see that they are Russian, that they are not separatists, or terrorists. It is the regular Russian army, for sure," he said.
The sound of "artillery fire".
Artillery is not something you find in a field, and your average joe on the street wouldn't know how to effectively deploy artillery unless actively trained for a period a bit longer than this "insurgency" has been happening. This artillery fire is highly indicative of an actual professional army.
This is the Russian army invading a THIRD sovereign country in the span of about ten years, each time to punish a government on its border that had decided to take a pro-western tack.
The fact that this is an identifiable pattern further reinforces reports that NATO has given.
Only a ing idiot would believe Russian denials that they have sent in their active army. That takes a special kind of moron, that the internet sadly seems not to be short of.
Define "cultural marxism".
Personally I would far prefer a stable democracy in Russia, with a free press and actively participant in the community of nations.
As it is, it is being run to an ideological tune that is more concerned with stroking people's nationalistic ego at the expense of their actual well-being, and that is directly harming people that aren't even in the country.
Looks like you beat me to it.
Just another conspiracy theory concerning things that exist only to make their believers feel better about themselves.
My impression of neo-nazis, like other types of conspiracy theorists, is that they tend have serious self-esteem issues.
for you russophiles and Pooting fellators
The Dying Russians
In the seventeen years between 1992 and 2009, the Russian population declined by almost seven million people, or nearly 5 percent—a rate of loss unheard of in Europe since World War II. Moreover, much of this appears to be caused by rising mortality. By the mid-1990s, the average St. Petersburg man lived for seven fewer years than he did at the end of the Communist period; in Moscow, the dip was even greater, with death coming nearly eight years sooner.
In 2006 and 2007, Mic e Parsons, an anthropologist who teaches at Emory University and had lived in Russia during the height of the population decline in the early 1990s, set out to explore what she calls “the cultural context of the Russian mortality crisis.” Her method was a series of long unstructured interviews with average Muscovites—what amounted to immersing herself in a months-long conversation about what made life, for so many, no longer worth living. The explanation that Parsons believes she has found is in the le of her new book, Dying Unneeded.
Parsons chose as her subjects people who were middle-aged in the early 1990s. Since she conducted her interviews in Moscow over a decade later, the study has an obvious structural handicap: her subjects are the survivors, not the victims, of the mortality crisis—they didn’t die—and their memories have been transformed by the intervening years of social and economic upheaval. Still, what emerges is a story that is surely representative of the experience of a fair number of Russians.
Eberstadt is interested in the larger phenomenon of depopulation, including falling birth rates as well as rising death rates. He observes that this is not the first such trend in recent Russian history. There was the decline of 1917–1923—the years of the revolution and the Russian Civil War when, Eberstadt writes, “depopulation was attributable to the collapse of birth rates, the upsurge in death rates, and the exodus of émigrés that resulted from these upheavals.” There was 1933–1934, when the Soviet population fell by nearly two million as a result of murderous forced collectivization and a man-made famine that decimated rural Ukraine and, to a lesser extent, Russia. Then, from 1941 to 1946, the Soviet Union lost an estimated 27 million people in the war and suffered a two-thirds drop in birth rate. But the two-and-a-half decades since the collapse of the Soviet Union are the longest period of depopulation, and also the first to occur, on such a scale, in peacetime, anywhere in the world. “There is no obvious external application of state force to relieve, no obvious fateful and unnatural misfortune to weather, in the hopes of reversing this particular population decline,” writes Eberstadt. “Consequently, it is impossible to predict when (or even whether) Russia’s present, ongoing depopulation will finally come to an end.”
Russia has long had a low birth rate. The Soviet government fought to increase it by introducing a three-year maternity leave and other inducements, but for much of the postwar period it hovered below replacement rates. An exception was the Gorbachev era, when fertility reached 2.2. After 1989, however, it fell and still has not recovered: despite financial inducements introduced by the Putin government, the Russian fertility rate stands at 1.61, one of the lowest in the world (the US fertility rate estimate for 2014 is 2.01, which is also below replacement but still much higher than Russia’s).
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...ying-russians/
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Maybe NATO is making up stories so hard, it is blowing the limbs off Russian paratroopers:Nato has as much credibility or less than russian army. Nato created Lybia and wanted to help isis in syria
http://news.yahoo.com/body-bags-russ...224533171.htmlMoscow (AFP) - When Russian paratrooper Nikolai Kozlov was deployed to Crimea to help Moscow take over the peninsula from Ukraine, his parents were proud of him.
Six months later Kozlov is disabled for life, an amputee now recovering in hospital from wounds incurred on a Kremlin-orchestrated covert mission to Ukraine to prop up separatists fighting against Kiev.
The paratrooper's uncle, Sergei Kozlov, said his brother asked him to help take care of the young man in the hospital.
"Seva called yesterday and said that Kolka had been wounded in Ukraine, and had lost a leg, or both legs -- I didn't ask," Kozlov said, referring to his brother and nephew by their nicknames.
Got anything on the Russian army website about why their paratroopers suddenly seem to be dying in groups by unit and missing limbs?
Maybe you think they all suddenly got colds?
has Russia invaded yet?
Yes, they have. Mostly by "guys on vacation" though. Some regular units only in last 3 weeks or so.
https://translate.google.com/transla...html&sandbox=1
Bullet points from twitter:
https://twitter.com/christogrozev
Novaya Gazeta reporting on recruitment of volunteers for Ukraine: "all interviews are handled by FSB staff"
Novaya Gazeta : "Mercenaries are paid max 60,000 per month" (=1,200 Euro, 1,600 USD)
NG's source "10,000 USD to be paid to family of dead mercenary...although how are you going to check if you are dead"
NG's source: "Cossack commander ran away with the whole company's salaries. @ $ 300,000. FSB began investigation but he probably paid off"
NG: "Before shipment to Ukraine, FSB confiscate all docs that may show links to Russia. Do background check and give you your alias"
NG's source: "Rostov training camp is a mess. Personally saw random people just show up, ask for 2 AK's and a car, and they just give them"
NG to source:"How often is a convoy of equipment sent from Russia"
"Every day"
"Why do rebels complain of too few arms?"
"They break them"
NG's source: "Tanks & APCs were largely sent to us from Crimea, so it would show up as Ukrainian equipment when caught"
NG asks: "Who controls the whole process?"
"Initiative was the Cossacks'. FSB takes care of secrecy. Ministry of Defense provides equipment."
NG's source: "Our casualties are much higher than in Chechnya. People totally inexperienced. 200 out of 300 often killed on first day.
Novaya Gazeta source : "If you die there, unless commander transports body back, you end in unnamed grave. Local rebels don't know your name
Why don't you help us verify that with another bull link?has Russia invaded yet?
Hearing reports that the ceasefire has been broken, this time with NATO troops nearby. Ukies claiming that they are fighting 100,00 russian troops, since the lies don't work maybe this time they'll fire on NATO and blame Russia.
#HappeningWatch
Man, that isn't even very good trolling.has Russia invaded yet?
Are you this lazy in other areas of your life, or just this one?
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