Ray Rice's wife: Hey media, thanks for ruining our lives

[SnakeBoy]

lol now you're going into "chump mode."

So you'll knock your mother out if she scares you bad enough.

lol

that, if I see my mother I'm just going to start shooting. Head shots are best for zombies so they say.

[Spurminator]

Talk about red herrings. If the video showed a woman of Ray Rice's size coming at him in the elevator and swinging her fists, and he had fought her off, this whole story would be reported completely differently. Because that's self defense. And he probably wouldn't have dropped her after one or two punches.

It's a controversy because that's not what happened. And for every incident where a man hitting a woman is legitimate self defense, there are a ING THOUSAND incidents where the guy is just a ing asshole beating up on someone with very little ability to defend herself.

If you guys want to debate the merits of a man punching a woman in self defense, chose an incident where that's actually the case instead of bringing unrelated hypotheticals to EVERY discussion about domestic abuse.

[baseline bum]

Talk about red herrings. If the video showed a woman of Ray Rice's size coming at him in the elevator and swinging her fists, and he had fought her off, this whole story would be reported completely differently. Because that's self defense. And he probably wouldn't have dropped her after one or two punches.

It's a controversy because that's not what happened. And for every incident where a man hitting a woman is legitimate self defense, there are a ING THOUSAND incidents where the guy is just a ing asshole beating up on someone with very little ability to defend herself.

If you guys want to debate the merits of a man punching a woman in self defense, chose an incident where that's actually the case instead of bringing unrelated hypotheticals to EVERY discussion about domestic abuse.

I was arguing with FWD's assertion that a man should never hit a woman tbh. I wouldn't punch a for spitting on me.

[pgardn]

Testosterone and pride are occasionally an ugly mixture.
Young men are easily controlled by these two factors.

Its not an accident that male teens, to late 20's, are the most likely to die violently.
Personally, I can get my wife so mad she will hit and kick at me very hard. I tease her into it.
I cover up, run, make her chase me around furniture. But hit her back... Never entered my brain.

The guy on the bus did the same thing to a crazy woman he does not even know. "I will get my grand daughter or whatever to punch you out, you need to get cut or slit". It's almost like he wanted to tease her into an attack.
"Sit down ma'am please... Please, I am driving people on a bus, this is dangerous". He went low like the crazy girl.
Think he would haVe prompted challenges from an ex NFL player with nothing to lose?

Pride at having a wench yell at him took over. I think a lot of these incidents would pass by if it were not for onlookers that might be perceived as making one party look soft. The girl was also acting out in front of friends it appeared. I hope both learned a lesson.

[baseline bum]

Testosterone and pride are occasionally an ugly mixture.
Young men are easily controlled by these two factors.

Its not an accident that male teens, to late 20's, are the most likely to die violently.
Personally, I can get my wife so mad she will hit and kick at me very hard. I tease her into it.
I cover up, run, make her chase me around furniture. But hit her back... Never entered my brain.

The guy on the bus did the same thing to a crazy woman he does not even know. "I will get my grand daughter or whatever to punch you out, you need to get cut or slit". It's almost like he wanted to tease her into an attack.
"Sit down ma'am please... Please, I am driving people on a bus, this is dangerous". He went low like the crazy girl.
Think he would haVe prompted challenges from an ex NFL player with nothing to lose?

Pride at having a wench yell at him took over. I think a lot of these incidents would pass by if it were not for onlookers that might be perceived as making one party look soft. The girl was also acting out in front of friends it appeared. I hope both learned a lesson.

couldn't walk away; could have. Funny seeing that shoryuken a .

[SnakeBoy]

Personally, I can get my wife so mad she will hit and kick at me very hard. I tease her into it.
I cover up, run, make her chase me around furniture. But hit her back... Never entered my brain.

Sounds like a great relationship. How old are you?

[Silver&Black]

Thanks for this...I haven't seen this b4.

Mike Tyson himself would be proud of that form.........

[Tuddy]

The media through advertising is why your husband is stupidly rich

[pgardn]

Sounds like a great relationship. How old are you?

Twelve going on 30 somethin.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol domestic violence apologist

lol being indignant on her behalf when she doesn't want it. If she is a willing participant then who are we to give a ?

[ChumpDumper]

lol being indignant on her behalf when she doesn't want it. If she is a willing participant then who are we to give a ?

lol ignorant of psychology of the abused

If they can't live off the money he's already made, too bad. She's still a victim of domestic violence. Are you saying she isn't?

lol indignant

[m>s]

I'm a victim of the abuse of having to listen to your for years now

[ChumpDumper]

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol ignorant of psychology of the abused

If they can't live off the money he's already made, too bad. She's still a victim of domestic violence. Are you saying she isn't?

lol indignant

lol psychobabble
lol behavioral diagnosis with no subject interaction

I don't know what the dynamic of that encounter or their relationship.

I don't have much interest in ascribing victimhood on behalf of someone who doesn't want it.

[ChumpDumper]

lol psychobabble
lol behavioral diagnosis with no subject interaction

I don't know what the dynamic of that encounter or their relationship.

I don't have much interest in ascribing victimhood on behalf of someone who doesn't want it.

lol a victim has to want it now

lol ascribing

[Chinook]

Lots of chauvinists in this thread thinking women don't have the ability to start conflicts or that a strong man should be responsible for both his and a woman's bodies. Disgusting sexism that comes from the same place as almost all of the subjugation of women.

Shame folks are making this the face of DV when real abuse happens everyday.

[ChumpDumper]

Punching your girlfriend out is, you know, wrong and stuff.

A 5'8" 210 coil of muscle can handle things differently.

And yes, both are handling this badly now. They both knew what was on the tape and knew it was probably going to get out. There just seemed to be a lot more they could have done to get ahead of it as much as possible.

That goes for the NFL as well.

[Chinook]

Punching ANYONE is wrong. I don't understand what folks fail to get about that. There's no need to try to act like it can be extra wrong depending on gender. Rice and Palmer are equally responsible for the conflict (as far as we know) that Rice was strong enough to knock her out has no bearing. Saying his strength makes his assault more wrong when compared with hers is like saying that stealing $1000 dollars is worse than stealing $500 dollars.

[ElNono]

Punching ANYONE is wrong. I don't understand what folks fail to get about that. There's no need to try to act like it can be extra wrong depending on gender. Rice and Palmer are equally responsible for the conflict (as far as we know) that Rice was strong enough to knock her out has no bearing. Saying his strength makes his assault more wrong when compared with hers is like saying that stealing $1000 dollars is worse than stealing $500 dollars.

Don't necessarily agree with this, but I also don't think it has to do strictly with gender. Gender gets tacked in because the female normally is the weakest of the two.

There's a variety of ways to deescalate a violent situation, and Ray in this case certainly seemed like he had the ability to do that. He didn't and he opted to throw a punch instead. That's on him. Now, obviously, this is just one aspect of a much more complex situation.

[Chinook]

Don't necessarily agree with this, but I also don't think it has to do strictly with gender. Gender gets tacked in because the female normally is the weakest of the two.

There's a variety of ways to deescalate a violent situation, and Ray in this case certainly seemed like he had the ability to do that. He didn't and he opted to throw a punch instead. That's on him. Now, obviously, this is just one aspect of a much more complex situation.

I certainly don't disagree with that. My issue is more about people wanting to absolve Palmer for her role, call her a victim and completely disregard her insistence on being a willing participant in the conflict as simply the babbling of an abusee. They both made mistakes in that conflict. They both escalated it. They both crossed the line. They were both wrong. Ray wasn't more wrong because he's a man.

[boutons_deux]

black (misogynist) solidarity!

Ben Carson on Ray Rice: 'Let's Not Demonize This Guy'

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ray...-carson-dont/2014/09/08/id/593307/

[pgardn]

You put yourself in the bus drivers seat, a crazy woman screaming at you. And then she strikes you. The males get puffy and say she wants to act like a man? So treat her like a man and because you are quicker and stronger, basically give her a very decisive sucker punch. The driver wanted her laid out and he met his goal.

So you kept your pride and it felt really good. Nice.

I feel it. But it still would not sit right in my head. I understand others probably feel differently. She did probably learn something. Wonder how that route felt after the incident knowing payback from her thug friends might be due...

[boutons_deux]

there are other ways for an NFL linebacker, or bus driver, to defend himself against any attacking but unarmed lady than beating the of her.

[Bill_Brasky]

any male of avg strength can restrain any female tbh. Punching chicks is just punkish. No woman outside of a female body builder(lol 'woman') would ever have a chance in a fight with a dude. If you let her sucker you into hitting her, you are dumb and got played.

[ChumpDumper]

Punching ANYONE is wrong. I don't understand what folks fail to get about that. There's no need to try to act like it can be extra wrong depending on gender. Rice and Palmer are equally responsible for the conflict (as far as we know) that Rice was strong enough to knock her out has no bearing. Saying his strength makes his assault more wrong when compared with hers is like saying that stealing $1000 dollars is worse than stealing $500 dollars.

Legally, stealing a larger amount is worse.