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The NFL is full of Ray Rices
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ray-rices.html
Not trying to be a smart ass, but penal statutes in most (if not all) American jurisdictions penalize crimes by degree and assess degree based upon either the extent of the injury or the degree of culpability of the accused. To that end, we do generally take into account societally recognized disparities between victims and those who injure them in some criminal contexts -- for instance, penalizing injury to a child more harshly than injuries to adults.
This, ultimately, is my point about justification. I agree generally with the idea that non-consentual punching of anyone is unjustifiable. But if you accept the assumption that there are just people in the world who are going to resort to punches in an effort to resolve conflicts, the question is whether the only way to respond to that is with punches in kind. I get that it may be the most practical way to defend oneself in a given cir stance, but that doesn't ever mean it's the only way. When you're bigger and stronger than the person you're interacting with, you always have choices short of fisticuffs to respond to those who direct violence toward you, even if they punch first. And my life experiences, as someone who has almost always been bigger and stronger than anyone I was interacting with, tell me that the best choice in every conflict is a response that does not entail violence. I choose to believe, from that, that resorting to violence -- even when confronted with violence -- is not justified. I'm likely alone in that view, but that's how I see the world.
The NFL is full of Ray Rices
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ray-rices.html
Is a "victimized" person who refuses the label as a way of empowering his/herself, still a victim?
Eye of the beholder.
Legal system said both are victims, but I think most would agree she got the worst of it.
What does that mean?
Not asking about the legal system or who got the worst of it. I'm asking about how the social/cultural view.
It is, and the league and the Rices and Nike and Madden, et.al, all missed out on an opportunity to deal with this in a more constructive manner. All parties are just trying to sweep it under the rug in one way or the other. It's not going to go away.
Depends on the individual's definition.
Your definition.Not asking about the legal system or who got the worst of it. I'm asking about how the social/cultural view.
See?
Ok. And what is your definition in the hypothetical I gave above?
It's way too hypothetical.
If an individual doesn't want to characterize him or herself as a victim, fine. That doesn't mean it changes the perception of everyone else in the world.
Fox contributor complains that ‘anti-testicular police’ are trying to take Ray Rice’s ‘b*lls’
the anti-testicular police are coming out and just taking this guy’s b*lls and ripping them off
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/10/fox-contributor-complains-that-anti-testicular-police-are-trying-to-take-ray-rices-blls/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
Re ed Liberal that occasionally appears on Fox complains that ‘anti-testicular police’ are trying to take Ray Rice’s ‘b*lls’
the anti-testicular police are coming out and just taking this guy’s b*lls and ripping them off
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/10/fox-contributor-complains-that-anti-testicular-police-are-trying-to-take-ray-rices-blls/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
Fox and its contributors are total trash.
nah, she's a utility player, plays both left and right fields. Here's she collecting a few $100 for throwing some red meat to the wannabe macho (old, white, pot bellied, decrepit) racists.
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Beyond Janay Rice: Lessons From a State Where Domestic Violence Runs Rampant
More than three times as many women have died here at the hands of current or former lovers than the number of Palmetto State soldiers killed in the Iraq andAfghanistan wars combined.
It’s a staggering toll that for more than 15 years has placed South Carolina among the top 10 states nationally in the rate of women killed by men.
The state topped the list on three occasions, including this past year, when it posted a murder rate for women that was more than double the national rate.
Among the factors that lead to the state’s distinction as one of the worst for women hoping to survive their romantic relationships:
Lack of will on the part of legislators to pass laws that protect women. According to the series, “A man can earn five years in prison for abusing his dog but a maximum of just 30 days in jail for beating his wife or girlfriend on a first offense.”
The challenges prosecutors face in getting cases to stick. According to the series, “A number of factors contribute to this problem, from overcrowded court dockets and under-trained police to victims too scared to testify against the men who beat them.”
Trusted pastors in this deeply religious state who advise that staying and working things out is God’s will. According to the series, religious leaders can unwittingly put women in greater danger: “In churches that did acknowledge abuse… pastors often compounded the problem by counseling abusers and victims together—and then sending them home with the sting of their shared grievances still fresh. Back behind closed doors, the abuser would take out his frustrations on his partner all over again.”
http://www.thenation.com/blog/181556...e-runs-rampant
The Repug War on Wimmen:
An entire party of Roger Goodells: Calling out the GOP’s domestic violence problem
From its position on the Violence Against Women Act to economic and social policies that are destroying the kinds of infrastructure that make it possible for women to leave abusive relationships, the GOP is fostering a culture of permissiveness around violence against women.
This week marks the 20th anniversary of VAWA, but last year, congressional Republicans were lining up to oppose the historically bipartisan measure. The Senate version of the bill included expanded protections for immigrant women, LGBTQ women and Native American women, a move opposed by many House Republicans.
VAWA is an imperfect and limited piece of policy, but its impact is felt daily. As Irin Carmon at MSNBC noted this week, among its many protections, VAWA safeguards victims who live in federally subsidized Section 8 housing from being evicted “on the basis of being victims of violence, and includes a new provision that allows them to transfer to a different residence.” This small measure of protection shields women — at least in these cases — from homelessness, an issue women in private housing have faced after calling the police on violent partners. (Around 63 percent of women who are homeless have experienced domestic violence.)
Republican opposition to (or selective embrace of) VAWA is among the most obvious ways the GOP has displayed its indifference to the needs of victims. But perhaps more insidious is the GOP’s economic agenda, which further marginalizes low-income women, women of color and undo ented immigrant women experiencing domestic violence.
Last year, the Republican-orchestrated shutdown locked down federally funded victims assistance programs like the Temporary Aid to Needy Families and the Victims of Crimes Act. The money drawn from these programs by state-level agencies and community-based organizations is used to reimburse crisis counseling programs, domestic violence shelters, long-term counseling programs as well as legal assistance for women leaving abusive relationships.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/11/an_e...lence_problem/
Thanks, Repugs and your Bible-thumping women-are-to-be-subservient- es "Christian" base.
Yeah, you know.....like punching your fiancee. After all, it's the only natural, logical reaction right? Not like spitting back in her face or, better yet, ignoring her were really options.
That comment was in response to feeling sorry for the girl. If you want Agloco, try going around and spit in people's faces and see if happens. I'm betting it will and I won't feel sorry for you when it does. Sure a smarter response would have been to walk away and not marry the woman but let's stay in the real world where we all know what type of response spitting in a person's face is likely to elicit instead of saying "Oh poor innocent victim". That doesn't justify his actions but it's possible for both people to be in the wrong and for both to deserve the punishment they are now receiving.
You know what were also options for her? Not hitting and spitting on him. But that didn't happen, because she messed up. That's why it's her fault too. That's why this wasn't abuse. That's why the police didn't categorize it that way. That's why they both went to counselling.
who's talking abou "going around" and spitting in strangers' faces? straw man.
the case is a girlfriend ALLEGEDLY spitting in her NFL LINEBACKER'S face and thereby, for Macho Man Heavy Puncher SnakeBoy, she deserves to be knocked out.
lol thinkprogress
Sure, they're both wrong. I don't think you'll find a single person arguing against that notion. I was referring to Ray's response. Given that she had spit in his face, what sort of response should logically follow?
Why do you feel the need to ask me what I think will happen if I walk up to random people and spit in their faces? Your question is out of context IMO. What you miss is the simple fact that they aren't strangers. It was his ing fiancee. That fact alone should cause you to scrutinize his lack of restraint even more. So yeah, if walking away was EVER an option after having been spat on it would be after someone you claim to love did it.
See above. I was referring specifically to Ray's response to her spitting. I wasn't addressing or even arguing the fact that she was complicit. I think we can all agree that she was.
I wasn't so there really isn't anything to debate here. You agree they are both wrong. The op is about his wife whining about his punishment and how it affects her. I don't feel sorry for her, do you?
Great post. Martial artists could respond with maximum force every time someone is aggressive with them. That would result in a lot of severely injured people and probably a few bodies. As one of the strongest, most athletic individuals in the world, Rice could have actually killed her with that punch. She was wrong to be aggressive, but that doesn't make the situation cut and dried. Rice went far past a reasonable response.
I do, as it's obvious she doesn't understand what a terrible situation she's in. It's easy to be callous about the other people's mistakes, but it shows a lack of empathy or education about how abused individuals struggle to come to grips with said abuse.
No.
You see Ray Rice is like that drunken skinny fool in the video.
Thats why it was put up.
You see, you see that... women can be tougher.
That guy in the video is a serious NFL type athlete. Should find a video of a woman rolling a guy in a wheel chair off a cliff.
That'll showem how tough women can be...
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