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Still not impressed
Too many FT's for a jump shooter, scoring numbers inflated by the refs
Not the most versatile player either
Durant hasn't been all that popular on these boards, with all the beta talk and the pimple face smack, but when you really look at what he did last year, it was phenomenal. Not only as compared to 13-14 players (which is pretty obvious because he won the MVP), but from a historical sense.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/mvp.html
While different years have different rules, pace and oppositions, I think it's good to start off by looking at the basic statistics:
- Of all the MVP seasons, Durant's ranked 6th of all time. The only MVP player season that had a higher scoring average but was clearly worse than Durant's season was McAdoo's 74-75 season. That period was pretty much the worst in NBA history with the ABA, drugs and selfish play.
- He ranked low in rebounds, but it's only because the MVP was dominated by big guys, especially in the old days. The only non big men with higher rebounding numbers were Bird, Big O, Dr J, Lebron and Magic.
- For a forward, he ranked comparatively high in assists. Of course, it's also due to the fact that big men dominated the list, but the only non PG to top him was Wilt, Lebron, Bird and Jordan.
- He had one of the only 5 seasons where an MVP logged 30+/5+/5+ (3 of the others belongs to Jordan, 1 to Big O).
From an advanced stat perspective:
- He ranked 12 all time in WS, and 10th in WS/48
- Only Jabbar, Jordan and Lebron had higher WS/48 in MVP seasons.
On an unrelated note, of all the multiple MVP winners, I will rank them as follows:
1 - Jordan
2 - Kareem
3 - Wilt
4 - Duncan
5 - Magic
6 - Bird
7 - Wilt
8 - Russell
9 - Moses
10 - Pet
11 - Pedo
12 - Nash
Still not impressed
Too many FT's for a jump shooter, scoring numbers inflated by the refs
Not the most versatile player either
Over reliance on those stats kill that for me ... your rankings are OK from a numbers perspective but an MVP is more than imho.
But IDGAF to argue with you on this one AMb, the MVP has been a ty award since the late 90's tbh ... they get it right about 50% of the time and only started to right the ship in the Lebron era.
Correction: "The refs had a phenomenal year, even by MVP standards"
I know the refs angle will come up, but let's be real, almost all MVPs get referential treatment.
It is almost comical how many FTs Durant got compared to the number of jumpshots he took, but he still nailed the jumpshots at a spectacular rate, especially for a guy who's almost 7' tall.
His impact on the team was also undeniable. They team had horrible coaching, no interior offense, missed Westbrook for chunks of the season, no bench, but they still managed to finish with a great record, and posed the biggest challenge to the eventual champions in the playoffs (Thunder > Mavs). We have had way worse MVP seasons, those Nash onesa and Rose comes to mind.
Only a handful of MVP seasons were undeniably better than Durant's. Jordans', Bird's 86, and a couple of Jabbar's. Even Shaq's 00 and Duncan's 03 are "only" in the same level of Durant's based on impact alone
Exactly.
LeBron didn't, Duncan didn't....
LeBron?
Free throws aren't the only way a player can get preferential treatment by the refs.
LeBron doesn't get called for fouls when he hacks. He also never gets called for travel (though you can argue many NBA players don't). Didn't LeBron recently have a long stretch of games where he didn't commit a foul? It was something pretty ridiculous.
In the same vein, Duncan got similar preferential treatment at the defensive end of the court. In his career, Tim Duncan has never had a season where he averaged 3 fouls per 36 minutes... never. Pretty surprising for a shot blocker. For reference and comparison, Hakeem never had a season where he didn't average at least 3 fouls per 36 minutes. Argue all you want that Duncan was just smarter about not taking fouls, but it's just surprising that Duncan never did it even one season.
There are other ways to get preferential treatment by the refs than getting a huge number of free throws like Durant and Kobe got. Patrick Ewing almost never getting called for a travel when he would do that 3-4 step runner in the lane. Allen Iverson never getting called for a carry even though that's all he did when he dribbled. Jordan not getting called for an offensive foul when he pushed off a defender to create space for a jumper. Those aren't missed calls that should lead to free throws. But they are calls resulting from preferential treatment by the refs.
he didnt do worth crediting man
got on by kawhi let alone td took a on him
LeBron and Duncan are just disciplined and smart players, tbh, not much for the refs to call
Jam on the proverbial roll ...
Man this place used to be great when it was you, Deeps, Mono, thread etc. posting regular. I used to lurk way before I joined. Pistons vs. spurs was the best rivalry on here from a posting stand-point outside of Mavs vs. Spurs
Jamstone definitely needs to post more. It was a great environment back then with Allanon, Jamstone, Harlem, DOK etc dominating the general board. They also had laker trolls during those days (cobbler for one)
Yes Allanon, DOK Harlem pre-Lebron fetish those were great times ... the Cobbler wars were funny to and Guiseppe even with the parrot stuff made this place funny as .Jamstone definitely needs to post more. It was a great environment back then with Allanon, Jamstone, Harlem, DOK etc dominating the general board. They also had laker trolls during those days (cobbler for one)
Word
Cobbler and ChrisRichards and MiamiHeat feud was worth the admission too
Was ChrisRichards actually HH?
Crap, how could I left that out.
Lebron is probably in the Duncan to Bird range all time. But his MVP seasons would probably be top 3, I would rank him #2 behind Jordan.
To a degree, they did. Probably not as much as Durant or Jordan did during their days, but it was there.
Appreciate your honesty here it's what separates you from CN ....
Nope. CR was actually a die hard Kobe fan
WHy is Wilt listed twice?
I think one of the Wilts is supposed to be Lebron
Yes. You're right.
autocorrect is a
'preciate it. But sometimes it's better to just let go of something that's good before it goes bad. Some of us talk about the golden age of basketball in the 80s with Magic and Bird and pre-championship Jordan. And some of us wish we could go back and have that type of basketball in the NBA again. But it would be like living in the present and having 50+ year olds Magic and Bird and Jordan playing in today's NBA. It wouldn't be fun to watch. At some point, we had to let it go and we can't just simply go back to how it was. Don't think this place can recapture that magic. We got older and out of prime basketball shape.
Last couple years, for the most part, I stopped posting on all forums. I used to post daily on 3-4 different boards. Now, it's rare when I post on any. Needed a break. But also, I've sadly lost interest in the NBA. Maybe it's because the Pistons have sucked going on 6-7 years now. Maybe it was the superfriends teams or simply the lack of quality basketball played in the league now. I just have lost interest. There aren't really any players left I really root for or really like. My favorite players like KG and Manu are all but done. I've kind of lost my like for CP3 more or less. Not a really big fan of young stars like Durant or Rose or Harden. The players I have left that I like are probably Steph Curry and Lance Stephenson. And now Stephenson is playing for Charlotte. Honestly, as much as I used to despise him, LeBron James might be one of the only guys left in the league I would really look forward to watching still.
Coincidental or not, the fall of the NBA section on SpursTalk has followed the degradation of the NBA itself the last few years.
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