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He was an unrestricted FA.
I guess Baynes wants to get paid more than Ayres. I don't see why not. He was used more in the playoffs and played much better than Ayres this summer. I don't know what Ayres has done to deserve his contract.Errors ing the Spurs over again
He was an unrestricted FA.
Errors screws us with his play during the season and now his contract is screwing us in the offseason. I'm going to be really disappointed if we go into the season paying and keeping Errors but not Baynes. Such a stupid decision, tbh.
Not all contracts work out *RJ* but in time they all will go away......
hopefully they can keep Baynes. $2million a year don't seem like an overpayment, not with Errors on the team.
If the Spurs end up with Ryan Hollins as the fifth big over a $900,000 difference in contract terms... smh.
I doubt they're even considering him. He's an idiot.
I really don't think the Spurs want four centers on the roster. I think if they were okay with that, they would give him his money without problem. They can either not pay Baynes or pay him and then pay Ayres to go away. Despite what people think, they are pretty much the same player, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to spend and extra couple million bucks.
I do concede that it may be more about contract length, though. The Spurs still seem to be planning on having cap space next summer, and Baynes making $2 Million is a big deal. I also think the team wants to preserve Aron's RFA status for next season, and you know that's about the last thing he would want.
Baynes is one of those locker room/bench friendly guys. I would be pissed if Baynes bolts. He's needed now that Tim will play fewer minutes in the regular season. I just hope RC does the right thing.
Just don't agree. I don't find it plausible that he's sitting on a $2M offer from a team in Europe, and I don't see the current offer as penny pinching. He's a restricted free agent. It's up to him and his agent to generate an offer that the Spurs will either match or let him go. That's the nature of the business. As it is, he has a standing offer that represents a 41% increase in salary over last year. Not bad for a guy who played less than 500 minutes last year and was making about 150K when the Spurs brought him to the NBA.
I like Baynes, but there's absolutely no reason for the Spurs to increase their offer.
Provided they're not trying to sign him long term, of course. If they are, then obviously he has a right to demand more money. Even if they aren't, but if some overseas team is, then he also has a right to ask for more. Like if some team in China is offering a $2.5M/3 deal, then he may want the Spurs to increase their one-year offer to make it worth it to him to stay.
He is doing the right thing.
People always marvel at how the Spurs keep such a clean cap sheet. This is exactly how you do that. You do NOT lock your self in a room and begin bidding yourself up.
I understand "the nature of the business". But he's a legitimate 7 footer, he doesn't have a Thabeet-type of personality, and physically, he can do some things against certain matchups that were useful for the Spurs. Even if he was the 5th big on the team (and I legitimately would place him as the 4th big when the playoffs rolled around), I thought he was an asset.
I know the Spurs don't have to offer a cent more, but if you ask me if he's worth $2m, I do think he's worth $2m. At least for another season. If he's asking for a longer-term deal and what not, then things would be different.
I don't believe that the Spurs are looking to sign him long term. I agree with your earlier post that they want him as an RFA next summer if they're to keep him at all.
As for an overseas offer such as the one you suggest, I believe the Spurs would wish him good luck. If he wants back into the NBA after that, he'll still be a restricted free agent until the Spurs renounce his rights.
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And I imagine he wants both more money and more years. For all we know, the Spurs may have offered him more on a one year deal, but he'll be a restricted free agent again next summer in that case. I'd guess he wants to avoid that.
That's why I find no reason to say that the Spurs are penny pinching. We have no idea what the Spurs may have offered above the QO. We only know that it's not enough for Baynes.
My number for Baynes a couple of months ago was 1.7-1.8 million. That's a little bit of an increase to give him some incentive for his hard work (I'm sure he's worked hard in practice during his time with the Spurs). My thinking was to give him a slight pay rise to keep him happy, something like a 500K-600K pay increase. Nothing has changed for me, that is still the number I'd offer - around 1.8M max. If that's still not enough, then I'd probably try and trade him or let him go.
Edit : I should ask, what was he making last season? Is the QO much of an increase compared to what he made last season?
I hope that the Spurs aren't penny pinching for no reason. If they don't think he's worth more than the minimum, then fair enough (I guess I won't argue with that if that is their assessment of him), but if they do somewhat value him and are penny pinching just because they can, then that very unfortunate for Aron.
I also wonder if the Spurs want to upgrade his spot, or even use that roster spot for another position, so they're offering him the minimum cause they don't really want him back unless it's for a minimum contract?
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I'd be surprised if the spurs are squabbling over 900k, especially since Duncan took that salary pay cut and the spurs are nowhere near the luxury tax. The only issue I can see is a roster spot. Spurs need to cut either Daye or find a sucker to take Ayres.
A little less than $800k. So he's getting a raise. It seems more than appropriate considering he didn't play a lot an wasn't particularly proficient when he did play.
I don't love Ayres, but one of the two of them has to be the human victory cigar and you don't want to pay the human victory cigar much more than the minimum. Ayres is already on the books so...
The QO represents an increase of 327K over last season and is 200K above the league minimum for a player with Baynes' years of service.
Then you start to get into a much bigger financial discussion. Baynes may be worth an extra $900k, but he's not worth that AND the team having to eat someone else's contract or giving up an asset to move such a player to another team.
Most people seem to have the impression he wants 2 mil on a 1 year contract, which is very unlikely. As already mentioned if he receives an increased one year offer he'll still be a RFA next summer and after what's happening in his first FA summer, it's no surprise he wouldn't want any more of that. The much more logical conclusion would be that he wants 2 mil per on a long term contract and this is why the Spurs are having none of it, not because they wouldn't give him a few hundred thousand more on a 1 year contract.
As he doesn't seem to have offers matching his own valuationif he wants to continue playing in the NBA he'd be smart to sign the QO and seek a payday next summer.
I'd demand that money too if a scrub is earning more than me.
What makes anyone think the Spurs want to get rid of Ayres aside from wishful thinking?
Stephen Jackson thought he was better than Danny Green too.
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