I just want Baynes signed.
The season is so long. We need to sit Duncan for series of games. We know Baynes, he knows what we need from him.
He is a guy who can help alleviate wear and tear on Duncan, Diaw and Splitter. The familiarity factor is very important as well. Just sign him.
Give him 1.9 million which is closer to the 1.5 mil euros he wanted and call it a day...everyone's happy
If your electric bill is $200, do you send them $300? Why do you want the Spurs to bid against themselves when they're holding 4 aces?
Maybe it's old school thinking that a team should have one big physical player that's difficult to bully in the paint(even if he doesn't get much minutes). I know the game is changing from that but it's still difficult to let those type of guys go. Maybe it would be better for the Spurs to go after another SF to back up Kawhi.
To make sure we keep Baynes from going to Europe...
I guess just to appease the guy n reward him for great summer n get this dang waiting game to end...employee appreciation, make guy feel valued
Almost DOUBLE his offer to 'appease' him? If he even needs 'appeasing', he's probably not Spurs material.
The wait is now working against him. If he lets it go to the first of October, SA can pull the offer, but he's still restricted. No other NBA team was willing to sign him to an offer sheet. A bit of patience will bring this to an end, one way or another.
He's human. We have egos. Make the guy feel like he's worth more than scraps that's all. You take care of ur peeps they take care of you. Spurs media day is 26th...maybe yet another get off the pot or we're starting without you move? So this actually needs resolution by then.
yep great thinking and to paraphrase: 'we have lots of money, everyone knows we have lots of money, we've nullified your market appeal with an offer that everyone knows about, it doesn't metter that you had a great summer and stayed in touch because...tadaa! we hold all the aces! BOOM!" strutts around the room looking like a right smug wanker.
jeesus it's like watching a kid at a special school try to work out how a doorknob works.
He fulfills a role that so one else at his pay scale on the squad can do or others so far worked out can do even at $2 million, he has good chemistry with the other guys, he works hard, stays out of trouble, is respectful of the organisation, is health and fairly rugged, clearly works with the coach and has been improving. OK he's no all star but if splitter has a slump or injury for 6-8 weeks are you going to sit of your arse looking at the TV and say 'thank god we saved $500,000 and didn't get baynes'.
An injury to Duncan and splitter without coverage is worth how much?
That's the regular season.
Playoffs - Portland/OKC etc and a seven games series. Duncan/splitter had to work their arse off banging all season, little rest and then have a seven game series ... oh wait, yay! we saved $500,000 on Baynes! Yay! Let's pu in our defensive god errors!
An ego isn't necessarily a good thing but to have your boss spit on your ego just hurts...even if u are a big banger
Man, spurfan can't help but read way too much into every situation.
The drama, cliff jumping and imaginary deadlines are getting very entertaining. The only deadline isn't media day, its 1 October, and on that date, Aron will find himself on the outside looking in.
The Spurs plucked him from overseas, a 26 YO never drafted big guy, who NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A SHOT IN THE NBA WITHOUT A BRET BROWN CONNECTION. He brings a little no-skill banging to the table. Guess what? The Spurs can, and I assure you, WILL find someone else to carry that water. They find guys, over and over again. Filling the #13 or 14 spot on the roster isn't rocket science. Finding a guy who can set a pick, roll to the hoop, and grab some boards for minimum isn't like finding the Hope Diamond. There is more than one out there, many more than one.
PAY HIM!!!! Sell assets but get this guy! PAY HIM!!!
They're trying!!! He won't ing sign the paper!!!
I don't think $18M over 4 years is over valuing Baynes... Pull the trigger Pop!
They're trying!!! He won't ing sign the paper!!!
Spurs can maybe offer 1.5 mill and promise to resign him to a bigger contract next year when Tim retires.
1. He won't sign for 1.5 mil for one year because he'll be a RFA again next summer
2. They can't promise him
3. Tim isn't retiring next year
sure...they've worked out a whole heap of them and that has worked so well so far.
I think that for you this thread and discussion has become more about whether your opinion is right or not.
Baynes has value and in some situations that has been very valuable for the Spurs. Spurs have made an minimal offer of less than half of the red rocket, baynes has countered that within the rules set by the NBA, we will see what happens in due course.
Matt Bonner has signed for $900K next year, with no drama and taking a large pay cut, because he decided he wants to stay in SA. Spurs just waiting for Baynes to decide that HE wants to remain, and sign his $1.1M offer. He can counter for $2M or $10M. It doesn't matter. Spurs won't come off their qualifying offer because they don't have to. If he keeps this going to 1 October, they'll pull their offer and move on.
Yes, I have an opinion, and it's an informed one based on 15 years of watching the Spurs deal with stars, near stars, starters, role players, and marginal end of bench players. It is not based on wishful thinking and ideas of "fairness". They treat each group very differently.
Last edited by exstatic; 09-19-2014 at 07:33 AM.
The implication that them "working out a whole heap of them" has been some sort of failure is absurd. 1) They've actually offered Ayon a deal, presumably contingent on Baynes not signing October first, as an outcome of these workouts and this search process you're denigrating. 2) He declined, and it isn't customary to offer multiple dudes a deal for a spot that is already spoken for, so they'll refocus on the next dude given Ayon signing with Madrid, while waiting on 10/1 to arrive. 3) these workouts are standard practice. Par for the course. I guess they fail every year because they workout a bunch of guys every year that they don't sign. Or, maybe it's just due dilligence, scouting, and good contingency planning and investing? 4) As Exstatic points out, Baynes was plucked from obscurity for cheap, and there is no reason to believe that The Spurs don't have their eye on a couple, or even a handfull of other prospects that they would like to explore by having them on the end of the bench. I like Baynes for his role, but it's not a complicated one. If they aren't afraid of losing him to a pay increase, I can't be too afraid of it, either. I like Daye's upside potential, but it's based on what we've got him for, which is next to nothing, and for one year - unless he somehow breaks out. If he contributes as little as Baynes did, and asks for double the money, I would have to politely show him the door, too. Next year. Baynes is a known commodity, and The Spurs just don't value that commodity as high as Baynes does. He got a 41% raise. If he wants a bigger raise than that he's got to bring some offers to the table. It's pretty simple. I would like to have him back just because he's familiar with the system, good in certain matchups, but he's not got much more upside than we've seen, and he is replaceable. And he and Ayers are somewhat redundant except for guarding a Howard. Spurs don't seem too worried about him guarding Howard.
Neither would I. What I'm saying is, if spot minutes in certain match-ups go from Baynes to Ayres, it's not going to make a difference.
Well, all I'm saying is, why risk it over $900k?
Like I said, it's about logic, the principal and the fact that, at least positionally (even if you want to claim there's a marked difference between him and Ayres), they don't need him.
If, by the highly unlikely chance they do at some point, they can sign him when his season ends in Europe or China or sign a player of similar ilk.
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